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HOLY GENERATIONAL WAR -- U.S National Debt Will Be $19.6 Trillion By 2015 According To New Treasury Report

Video:  Kids speak out -- It's Not My Debt

Videos are in sequence.  Just hit play and they will play one after another.  After the first clip, the remaining clips run 5 seconds each.


Scene:  Basement of the Washington Cathedral, the nightly Alcoholics Anonymous (Deficit Hawks Anonymous) meeting has just begun, and I'm about to speak.

Me:  Hi my name is DB.  I'm 44 years old and I'm a deficit hawk.

Other Alcoholics:  Hi DB.

Me:  I've been a deficit hawk since 1987.  So 23 years give or take.  Basically since Reagan got us started spending beyond our means.  I hate, loathe, despise the fiscally and generationally irresponsible leadership of both political parties, and consider both to be of equal blame for our current mess.

Other Alcoholics:  Boo, hiss.  It's the Republicans fault.  Clinton got us to a surplus and Bush destroyed it with the wars and tax cuts.  (MODERATOR:  The part about Bush is true, but the Clinton surplus was a mirage and would have disappeared no matter who became the next President.  Remember the tech bubble -- federal and state tax receipts were grossly inflated as Mom and Pop daytraders rode SkyMall, Etoys and Stamps.com to riches.)

Still Other Alcoholics:  It's the Democrats fault.  They've never met an appropriations bill they didn't want to suckle and nurture.  They've held the majority in Congress since the 1960s (except for 2002-2006), and their only act of fiscal discipline has been to raise the debt ceiling every 9 months so.  MODERATOR:  Bush might have complained about Congressional spending, but he started 2 expensive and illegal wars, and signed every appropriations bill the Democrats sent him.

Me:  Shut the F*** up.  Both sides.  You are idiots.  You have been fighting back and forth for 3 decades about deficits and nothing has been done.  Nothing!  Ross Perot warned you in 1992 that this day of unfunded entitlement reckoning was on its way.  You came close, once, so exasperatingly close (1 vote shy---1 lousy vote) to an agreement (the Penny-Kasich Deficit Reduction Bill of 1993) that would have solved this problem.  But alas, you failed.  So on behalf of the American people, who balance their budgets every month (except for this couple), and on behalf of kids who have absolutely no say in their indebted futures,  JUST STOP.  Stop the fighting and blaming.  Solve the problem.


Back to reality:

Quick question and I want a quick answer.  Right now and for the foreseeable future, how many cents, of every federal dollar, are borrowed?

Answer:  43 cents, 43 cents, 43 cents, 43 cents.  And as far as Treasury projects, it remains approximately 43 cents.

Given the incessant daily whining, from Keynesians Krugman, Reich, Romer and Delong, that deficit hawks will destroy the recovery, a cogent response from our side is needed.  And it's simple.

You can NOT solve a problem of too much debt, with more debt.  At least not when you're starting from our already elevated level of of debt to GDP.  Clarke & Dawes explained it magnificently well.  In fact, in 90 seconds, they explain the problem more succinctly than anyone ever has.  Check it out (watch the first clip).

When Obama took office in 2009, total federal debt stood just short of $11 trillion.  We are at $13.1 trillion today (increasing by $5 billion every day), and according to new projections from his Treasury department released Friday, we will add $6.5 trillion to that total over the next 4 1/2 years.  That means he and Congress will have spent $9 trillion of future prosperity, stolen from your children, in just 7 years.

Again for the record, both parties (of more accurately the 1 corporate party -- the Washington Spending Machine) is to blame.  Republicans have proven equally adept at stealing from your children.  So none of my comments are politically based.  If McPalin were running the show, and they were projecting these kinds of numbers, I would be spitting fire in their direction with equal psi. 

Did I mention that we borrow 43 cents of every federal dollar spent?  If we were borrowing 23 cents per buck, or even 13 cents, it would be unsustainable, and you should be pissed.  But 43 cents.  That is almost within the realm of the unconscionable.  And yet Krugman and Delong are begging for more.  And there are no plans, (absolutely none according to Bernanke) to reduce that number over the next decade.

A deeper look behind the numbers shows an extremely rosy scenario for economic growth is built into Treasury's assumptions -- north of 3% annually.  If the growth doesn't materialize, which is possible, and some would say likely, then the debt/deficit numbers actually get much worse.

And we're not even counting the potential trillions in liabilities for Fannie & Freddie, and the greater than $60 trillion in unfunded entitlement liabilities.  Add it all up and the true number for federal debt looks even more gruesome -- $99 trillion according to Dallas Fed President and deficit hawk Richard Fisher.


Anyone hear the joke about the once great nation that borrowed it's way into oblivion?   Me neither, because it's not a freaking joke.


As an aside to the outstanding Business Insider writer Vincent Fernando, who believes we are mis-calculating the federal debt numbers -- if the U.S. Treasury and Fed President Richard Fisher both count intragovernmental holdings as part of total debt, then so should you.  Otherwise, we are no better than Enron, Citigroup and Lehman Brothers, utilizing off-balance sheet shenanigans (lies) to hide the truth. 

And isn't that what got us into this mess in the first place.  By not paying attention to the true costs and future liabilities for government promises made, we've dug ourselves an exceptionally large hole.  When you don't count all the numbers, you are directly enabling politicians to continue their games of generational thievery.  Moreover, as mentioned above, when the unfunded entitlement liabilities come into play (plus Fannie & Freddie madness) the numbers are astonishingly worse -- $99 trillion vs. $13 trillion vs. the $8 trillion cited.

So back to my message. 

Earth to Congress -- I have a newsflash for you.  As Daltrey and Townsend sang decades ago, The Kids Are All Right, but they won't be paying this debt

I've been saying it since the day we launched the Bail.  Generational theft, which has been going on for decades, would eventually breed a Generational War.  And now that looks to be a certainty.  The only question is when the backlash begins in earnest.  And while we await its commencement, we can work to mitigate its eventual impact.  Start fixing it now.  In five years it will be too late.

Debt and Deficit Truths:

  • Federal debt increases by $5 billion borrowed bucks per day.
  • In the 2 hours it took me to write this stupid post, the debt increased by $400 million or so.
  • In the 2 minutes it took you to read this, the burden on your children grew by a cool $8 million.
  • It took us over 200 years as a nation (from 1776 thru 1983) to accumulate a TOTAL national debt of $1 trillion. 
  • Now and for the foreseeable future we will be adding $1 trillion to the national debt roughly every 8 months.

One last comforting thought, which I will be covering in more detail in the next story, Chairman Bernanke says we have no plan to fix the problem.  Not that we needed to hear it from him (of all people) for it to be true, but I suppose it doesn't hurt our case.


Related story:

I Pledge Allegiance to the Debt, and to the Chinese Government That Lends Us Money


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Video:  The Who -- The Kids Are All Right -- 1965


From Reuters:

The U.S. debt will top $13.6 trillion this year and climb to an estimated $19.6 trillion by 2015, according to a Treasury Department report to Congress.

The report that was sent to lawmakers Friday night with no fanfare said the ratio of debt to the gross domestic product would rise to 102 percent by 2015 from 93 percent this year.

"The president's economic experts say a 1 percent increase in GDP can create almost 1 million jobs, and that 1 percent is what experts think we are losing because of the debt's massive drag on our economy," said Republican Representative Dave Camp, who publicized the report.

He was referring to recent testimony by University of Maryland Professor Carmen Reinhart to the bipartisan fiscal commission, which was created by President Barack Obama to recommend ways to reduce the deficit, which said debt topping 90 percent of GDP could slow economic growth.

The U.S. debt has grown rapidly with the economic downturn and government spending for the Wall Street bailout, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the economic stimulus. The rising debt is contributing to voter unrest ahead of the November congressional elections in which Republicans hope to regain control of Congress.

The total U.S. debt includes obligations to the Social Security retirement program and other government trust funds. The amount of debt held by investors, which include China and other countries as well as individuals and pension funds, will rise to an estimated $9.1 trillion this year from $7.5 trillion last year.

By 2015 the net public debt will rise to an estimated $14 trillion, with a ratio to GDP of 73 percent, the Treasury report said. (Reporting by Donna Smith; Editing by Kenneth Barry)






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Reader Comments (57)

Awesome post DB,
Sleep is overated....

One thing:
"Given the incessant daily whining, from Keynesians Krugman, Reich, Romer and Delong, that deficit hawks will destroy the recovery,..."

What f@#%ing recovery?? The only recovery I see here is in Wall Street bonuses and it's not really fair to call it a recovery cause they never stopped anyway.
Jun 10, 2010 at 7:53 AM | Unregistered Commentermark mchugh
Hey mark...first things first...the phillies should get this kid from iu...


was just named big ten player of the year...6'3'' 215...sophomore...

WB: Who is the toughest hitter you've ever pitched to? Most impressive pitcher you've dueled?

EJ: The toughest hitter I have ever faced would be Alex Dickerson from Indiana. The kid is strong and patient at the plate. He waits for his pitch to drive and doesn't get fooled. All around great hitter.

Jun 10, 2010 at 12:58 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
thanks for the kind word...i hate writing posts like this...i get emotionally wrapped up and pissed off...don't get any sleep...and then so far i haven't gotten anyone to reprint it...

i t has about 500 lousy views at this point...once it goes out in the daily email, it should get spread a bit...

you're right about the recovery or lack thereof...it's a mirage...no jobs...and i'm afraid until we deal with the debt problem we don't get a real recovery...as you know, i fear it's hello tokyo for us...maybe a decade of no growth...
Jun 10, 2010 at 1:02 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
It's true that hard choices need to be made now and that this is a serious issue for young Americans who will inherit the privilege of paying back the debt, but sadly most young Americans aren't involved or mobilized on this issue.

To get them educated and engaged, I'm making a video game that challenges players to payoff their share of the national debt---and to win, they have to make tough policy decisions just like those that Congress will have to make.

The game is in development, but check out the trailer here: http://bit.ly/aGXHpx
Jun 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM | Unregistered Commentereric
awesome job eric...very impressed...
Jun 10, 2010 at 1:56 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
I.... 2nd that. Its true, the way to our kids today is threw a Game they can sit on thAre Ass and play all day long. Only this time they wont evan see it comming.

Its just a game, Right...? Before you know it, they are Hooked and now have all the power they need to do something about it. Our goverment created this mess. Our kids can undo the mess, all in a game.

Very Very Cool Thinking. I would buy 1,000 shaers today if we had any money left............"We Dont" ! ( You Take "Country Music CD's, Right...? Ha-Ha, LOL ) You know a hand held game is next....! 3rd graders will be great players. Who knows what they will grow up to be....? "WoW" !

Eric, BHO needs to hand over that prize he didnt win to you. I'll get him on the Telly right now and have Fed-Ex bring it right over.
Jun 10, 2010 at 4:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
...............DB, put this where it should be posted. Something is up, and something is going down on the American People.....

With this liquidation taking place just 48 hours prior to the gulf explosion which now looms as America’s worst ever ecological disaster, any intelligent mind must ask these questions, “Was this sell-off an act of insider trading? Did someone at Goldman Sachs have foreknowledge of this disaster? Could the disaster have been man-made? If so, who would be the ultimate beneficiary of this event?”
Jun 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar

Alex sounds like what I like to see in a hitter....patience. When the Phils are on their game (which is happening lately) they wear the pitching out by running up the pitch count, getting to the bullpen and wearing them out. The kid is wise beyond his years, or maybe it's the program at IU (I did note the score in the photo was 26-6).
Jun 10, 2010 at 6:49 PM | Unregistered Commentermark mchugh

Really looks like you've got a winner there! Awesome!

DB should give you some headline pixels.
Jun 10, 2010 at 6:51 PM | Unregistered Commentermark mchugh
What did Romans love in their last days of Glory?

Sports and War

What Do Americans love now?

Sports and War

"ROME did not burn in a day"

Harsh reality coming to teach us History Repeat

Must listen to Gerald Celente
this is harsh reality : nothing to add, please prepare to survive

Gerald Celente Breaks Down The Troubled Financial World Markets on Alex Jones TV


now @DB may see this is repeat link

I just say sorry but every word in this link reveals the future

USA ZOMBIES on the internet screams but No Resistance with Balls

This is a lesson from TED.com
Derek Sivers: How to start a movement

Ron Paul: Restore a Full Audit - Update with Press Release
Jun 10, 2010 at 9:16 PM | Unregistered Commenterken
"What f@#%ing recovery?? The only recovery I see here is in Wall Street bonuses and it's not really fair to call it a recovery cause they never stopped anyway. "

Of course. When I first heard the ridiculous phrase "jobless recovery" being thrown around for the first time in the news a few months back I laughed thinking it was meant as a joke, given that no SANE person would ever think you can recover an economy WITHOUT creating jobs. But no, they were dead serious about it. So it inspired me to take the idea to the next logical step and I started using the name Recoveryless Recovery to symbolize the STUPIDITY of the entire concept of 'recovering WITHOUT recovering'.
Jun 10, 2010 at 9:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterRecoverylessRecovery
.............................. But no, they were dead serious about it. So it inspired me to take the idea to the next logical step and I started using the name Recoveryless Recovery to symbolize the STUPIDITY of the entire concept of 'recovering WITHOUT recovering'.
.......................... You Go Gurl..................You got it right. Dorthy would take ToTo, back to Kansas and climb into the furit celler, and neaver come out.......?

We are "Fu!@$%^%&*() ked" and we know it. Its just a matter of time now. Wish I could share what I found out in the last 2 weeks, snopping in goverment web sites..........................!

Its time to find Gilligan's Island......................................
Jun 10, 2010 at 9:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
T Dar...on this story...


Goldman selling 4.6 million shares of BP doesn't seem like a big deal to me...the author is completely nuts calling it the largest share sale...dumping 5 million shares of some company happens EVERY DAY in the markets by hedge funds and mutual funds...it's not a small dump...but it's not huge either...especially for an investment bank...

but i like that you are keeping an eye on the situation for us...thanks...
Jun 10, 2010 at 11:37 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Alex sounds like what I like to see in a hitter....patience. When the Phils are on their game (which is happening lately) they wear the pitching out by running up the pitch count, getting to the bullpen and wearing them out. The kid is wise beyond his years, or maybe it's the program at IU (I did note the score in the photo was 26-6).


yes, mark...somehow IU got him out of SoCal...becasue we are not a baseball school...but i'm telling you now he is a future star...i've been watching baseball like you since i was a kid...i've never seen a better young presence at the plate...he could start on most major league teams right now in my view...he's a mchine...he was the unanimous choice for POY and he's just a true sophomore...he will go in the top 10 players chosen in next years' draft i think...
Jun 10, 2010 at 11:40 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
but i like that you are keeping an eye on the situation for us...thanks...

After putting my next song on hold for what the goverment is doing to us, I have found piece in what is realy going on. Its just my Gut feeling, but none the less.

Its going to be the next 911. Just wait it out, and you will see. Tomorrow it will be 19,trillion Barels, or is that 19, trillion Gal's.

Oh Fu#Ken great, who the helll cares any-ways...........? But thAre is still 42 Gal. of oil in every barrel of oil.....................& that is a shit load of oil..............................
Jun 11, 2010 at 12:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
There's nothing wrong with throwing a little money at a problem to make it go away. There's equally nothing wrong with throwing a little borrowed money at a problem to make it disappear, as long as you have the means to pay that borrowed money back.

But what happens if you throw a lot of borrowed money at a problem, and the problem doesn't go away? If you've ever experienced a situation like that you can probably understand how Europe feels right now. It just unleashed a magnificent $1 trillion euro bailout and the market responded with a selloff by the end of the week! So what happened? That money was supposed to make the problem go away, after all. And it was a lot of money. Why did the market respond to it with such disdain?

Jun 11, 2010 at 3:14 AM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Spare Britain the policy hair shirt

By Martin Wolf

Published: May 27 2010 22:13 | Last updated: May 27 2010 22:13

The UK should tighten fiscal and monetary policy now, in the depths of a slump. That, in essence, is what the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development calls for in its latest Economic Outlook. I wonder what John Maynard Keynes would have written in response. It would have been savage, I imagine.

Jun 11, 2010 at 3:15 AM | Registered CommenterDailyBail

We Need Bigger Deficits Now!

I despise brad delong...
Jun 11, 2010 at 3:16 AM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
OK Ken,

"One has to pay the price for speaking in their faces in Washington DC.
I have handed real time proof against Corporate crooks and Stock manipulation crimes to sec for many years. But SEC crooks threatened me and so did yesterday FCIC.GOV Traitor rulers investigation Dog and Pony Show to fool us all. FCIC did not like my facts and have no agenda to act on it?

And sent Police to my home to warn me?

SO do you think , ranting on the web will achieve anything? I bet not"

Three problems:

1) I used to report crooked trades to the SEC....they ignored them so I started publishing them on my own blog and others. I suggest you do the same, but frankly, I haven't seen any indication that you posess that kind of insight.

2) I have seen you post repeatedly about revolution (and not like Ghandi), that will get you noticed, and if that's why the cops are knocking on your door - good for them.

3) one of the disadvantages of using a fake name on the web is that nobody in the general population knows who you are, so if you get whacked for trying to expose fraud, no one will know to investigate.

If I ever get threatened by a government official, every last detail will immediately get posted on my blog and everywhere else I can think of. And hopefully, if something bad ever happened to me, somebody somewhere would start asking questions.

I suggest you rethink your entire strategy (especially how you've acted towards DB), cause making enemies seems to be the only thing you're good at.
Jun 11, 2010 at 12:58 PM | Unregistered Commentermark mchugh
i removed 5 posts from ken prior to Mark's post...which is what mark is responding to...
Jun 11, 2010 at 1:38 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
DB, we will always have thoes few that will always bail water back into the boat, will 96% of us are bailing the water over board.

And you have the magic-wand............."Deleate Botton" ! I dont know who Ken is, but it seems all he ever dose is put the water back into the boat.

I admire your patience I handling the ones that rub you the wrong way, just for the fun of it. Im just glad you let me on yr site and share the things I find that the American People should know about.

They are comming us from every direction, and each Mo. it gets worse. Just think of the ones that think everything is ok as it was 30-50 years ago becouse they dont want to hear it. Keep up the good work DB, your a "Champ" in my book of life....!
Jun 11, 2010 at 3:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
@DB Folks I need help ;

NFLX example can shake up Washingtion Barney Frank foundation if you folsk help me out

BARNEY/DODD has sold us as debt slaves to these Thugs

Nancy always looking for BARNEY and why?
Jun 11, 2010 at 10:13 PM | Unregistered Commenterken

Can you folks answer based on this NETFLIX Scam:


Also see the effects of the two weapon given to them?

That is exactly CLINTON CROOK DOTCOM bubble Surplus was all about?


All real cash looted and we elect these Billionare spend money in California to be our new leaders?

Blowing 70m+ here and there from the LOOTED wealth of Working Class Pensions?

Aren't We zombies electing same Corporate thugs to be our leaders?

Good Night
Jun 11, 2010 at 10:58 PM | Unregistered Commenterken

I owe you half an apology. You're right about Jeff Bezos, stock options, vaguely-termed "buybacks" instead of paying dividends and how pension funds have been looted. Those are all important things and things DB and other sites try to chronicle.

Chronicling the crimes is one thing, becoming a criminal is another.

It was probably a year ago now that I warned you that you were going to get yourself into trouble with your hate speech and revolution talk. Do you believe me yet?


Jun 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM | Unregistered Commentermark mchugh

No Apology and why/

Hell with trouble, we have to resist tyranny now, Rants on Board are worthless. They already have tracked labeled us Terrorists?

As I said, rants on the web are now meaningless .Some one has to lead the revolution and relying Republican or democratic party is just DOOM and welcome to new Mexico style life in USA Republic next.

Few Filthy rich and rest fight on street next

Any way, I won't engage on the web any more

Good Luck with your revolution with rants on the web.

Does any one in this nation has balls to lead a revolution?
Jun 11, 2010 at 11:52 PM | Unregistered Commenterken
@mark mchugh

Yes you warned me and I appreciate it but why an Apology ?

Few clowns here have bashed the shit out me?

@DB has its own biased agenda too

And Mark: my time line on civil unrest still @Nov 2010-2011

God Bless us All.

Jun 12, 2010 at 12:03 AM | Unregistered Commenterken


Jun 12, 2010 at 2:46 AM | Unregistered CommenterZarathustra
David Swanson: Don't Expect an Election to Change Everything

When Barack Obama was swept into the White House last year on a mandate of hope and change, many progressives believed his arrival meant they could finally roll down their sleeves and wash their hands. But David Swanson was not one of them. Although he voted for Obama, Swanson, author of the recently published book "Daybreak: Undoing the Imperial Presidency and Forming a More Perfect Union," predominantly about the Bush years, told Truthout that "people have gone through this foolish cycle of expecting an election to change everything and then being disappointed and discouraged that it didn't.
Jun 12, 2010 at 9:10 AM | Unregistered Commenterken
The Beholden State

How public-sector unions broke California

Jun 12, 2010 at 9:37 AM | Unregistered Commenterken
The United States: A Model Fascist State

Are we there yet? I say, yes we are
Jun 12, 2010 at 9:49 AM | Unregistered Commenterken
Fellow Americans
Do you have any doubt still that USA is not ruled by Wall Street Bankers and Corporate thugs (Home Grown Financial AL Qaeda)?
The Unbelievably Rampant Corruption on Wall Street
What I faced from Washington, State Political Establishment and watch dog agencies by going in their faces and screaming harsh reality real time crimes reveals it all.
Founding Fathers had the Balls to revolt and they did and gave us USA Republic and one great Holy Constitution to follow and protect................Now grow balls and go out in your local towns and prepare to question these Demon Rats and Repo-cons in town hall election meetings.
Jun 12, 2010 at 10:01 AM | Unregistered Commenterken

Above Weapon only the Choice left, rest all is history

Famous Thomas Jefferson Quote

"If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their money,
first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property
until their children will wake up homeless

Andrew Jackson quotes:
Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves.



Posted on 10th May 2010 by JimQ in Economy
Jun 12, 2010 at 10:34 AM | Unregistered Commenterken

Your seven steps I have lived my whole life, if I cannot pay cash I do not need it. The only reason I am sitting here now is because it is raining, and that is keeping me off the tractor discing down the road.

I have never trusted others to do what I can do myself, food quality and food safety rule in my world, while the "overmen" castrate themselves and order pizza and buy produce from foreigners or picked by foreigners and sold to them with salmonella, bacteria, mercury, preservatives, etc., to go with their little fairy drinks with little umbrellas in them...

We go to the grocery once a month (raised a household of 4) and spent $100 dollars buying necessities, and I am striving hard to decrease that. Some things I am stuck buying like toilet paper, etc.

If the rest of America would do that you would see a resurgence of independence, but they will not, for they have become dependent, and will accept poisoning and disease as long as they do not miss their favorite tv show.


The fences are built, and both parties herd followers are inside waiting for the gate to close. The shackles of slavery are built by the man or woman wearing them, some just make their shackles more elaborate than others...
Jun 12, 2010 at 11:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
I forgot to add, we eat better than most for as little as we spend. We can our own vegetables, put up wild and domestic meats, two refridgerators, fully stocked pantry, multiple freezers, and 1 fridge in the garage for beer, all full.

This years produce is looking well despite the frustrations with the weather, it will just be a little later than normal.
Jun 12, 2010 at 11:28 AM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
@S. Gompers

I admire you for that, here is more shocker that farmers now facing from Corporate thugs as their business is threatened

A Raw Milk Deal: Farmer Faces 180 Days Jail and Could Lose the Farm and Family Food Ministry
Jun 12, 2010 at 12:36 PM | Unregistered Commenterken
Some things I am stuck buying like toilet paper, etc.

I grew up on farm and we never used toilet paper back in India . I only saw toilet paper in cities in very few filth rich homes. started using here in USA.

Jun 12, 2010 at 12:52 PM | Unregistered Commenterken
"A Raw Milk Deal"

I am well aware of this, when I was a child, we raised dairy goats because my next younger brother was allergic to cow milk. We sold excess milk as "dog food" to other people with this same problem since people (babies) with this allergy can drink goat milk with no ill effect. The butter from goat milk is fantastic, as it has a higher butter fat content than cow milk, it also takes less room and feed to raise them.

You should only sell whole milk as "dog food", that way you are not responsible for what happens after purchase, just like the dog and cat food manufacturers are not responsible for all the people eating their products so they can afford to buy their medications.

This law is about control and has been around a long time.

There were also farm land confiscations back in the 80's, yet all loved it, now millions of acres of farmland are owned by foreigners, and if push comes to shove, all that food will be export while Americans starve.

The American farmer has been getting his teeth kicked in for a very long time.
Jun 12, 2010 at 12:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
"I grew up on farm and we never used toilet paper back in India . I only saw toilet paper in cities in very few filth rich homes. started using here in USA."

That hand wiping thing is the problem with imported and migrant farm worker grown produce and salmonella outbreaks, I know what you mean though, I am kinda partial to tp. I have used corn cobs in my grandparents outhouse when I was young, they did not get indoor plumbing till the 70's.

Jun 12, 2010 at 1:01 PM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
Water is great to wipe ass and then rinse hands with soap brother. I come from green revolution family back in Punjab, India. During my childhood I remember farmers refused to use fertilizers s and pesticides and Government employees will sneak in middle of the night to fertilize their farms for free and finally convinced them for more yield and more money and where are we now?
Farmers fought Monsanto seeds in India long time but last year caved in to use them? Monsanto monopoly over seed business is the biggest horror story of modern times.

MILK: I grew up drinking Cow & Buffalo Raw milk
Jun 12, 2010 at 1:34 PM | Unregistered Commenterken
The migrant farmers are not given soap and water, they just kinda wipe their hands on the grass, salmonella and feces
are linked. I am afraid that genetically modified seeds, and hybridization are accidents waiting to happen, but it is all part of Agenda 21. I do grow some hybrids for yield for canning, but I am mostly a seed saver of heirlooms, which produce less, but are better flavors fresh. The only problem is you must keep them separated so that they do not cross and possibly destroy/ modify the respective strains. Hence multiple communal gardens work well to maintain seed stock and purity of breed. In regard to tomato's you must plant multiple varieties in this manner as some years some strains do not do well, and you never will know in advance what years and what strains that will be.

Soon under Agenda 21 real food/ supplements will be classified as poison, and poison food will be deemed "healthful".

But it is all about control, deny control by being responsible for yourself, in the end you can only take care of yourself. The herds must awaken on their own...

Freaking them out does not help, it only makes them move faster away from you and towards the cliff.
Jun 12, 2010 at 1:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
Corporate farming will lead to our destruction, already it controls markets like OPEC does.
Jun 12, 2010 at 2:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
I forgot to add, we eat better than most for as little as we spend. We can our own vegetables, put up wild and domestic meats, two refridgerators, fully stocked pantry, multiple freezers, and 1 fridge in the garage for beer, all full.

I have put up dry goods. Sure I have my 10,000kw Onan Diesel Gen. from my tour bus behing the cabin, BUT with 100 gal. of diesel I can only cool the fridge for 3-4 weeks. 2 1/2 hr. on a gal. and a 2-3 hr run two to three times a day, Winter, Summer......?

So after that all the stuff in the fridge is going fast. We would work it down and share with next door so nothing gos to waste. But Gomps, how would you keep things going with no AC, becouse it will be one of the first thing to lose when it all caves in....?

And Yes, that ol boy is going to jail here in my state for trying to help out his neighbors. Sad aint it........? 3 more have got caught for selling milk, eggs, meat, in Mo. Wife is at farmers market to day buying anything she can.

The only way to make it would be to move to a big island and all work as one to stay a live. I just wish I could find a cave here and put a small RV inside. 68* year round, by a streem in the woods

. Only trouble is, when the "SOB's" get hungry, were dead anyways. Sooner or later you'll get found out. You cant hide from the low life. But then, fresh "SOB-Meat" would be a good supply of protien, wouldent it Gomp's............................! Use the fat for lamp oil. Bones for spears...?
Jun 12, 2010 at 2:49 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
Everyone needs to read this....... The One-Hour Meltdown http://www.grandpappy.info/honehour.htm

This is how it will go down if something like that happens, and it looks very real yeat this year......It got us putting up food & water. I only wish I could come up with a nice 20 ga. shot gun pump next.....! Got a bet going with Dar on what state shuts down first. Ca. or Ny.

I think it'll be NY, becouse they have sold out the peoples sole very quietly under the radar..?
Jun 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
The Goobermint tells you you need refrigeration and preservatives, etc.
and all that other stuff. You can even can meat and it does not require refrigeration, look at the Amish. It is the Goobermint that makes you believe you cannot live without them.

They are obviously smarter than all who have lived for thousands of years before them after all...

Electricity is a convenience, and it represents control, as well as many other things we all take for granted.

Many generators do way better than yours T. Dar, you might want to have it looked at, I could make that last 50 or 60 days, but still the Amish do not require that.
Jun 12, 2010 at 10:49 PM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
I dont think I could get much more out of a gal. of diesel fuel, but would like to if I could. I know some of these little Honda Gen. Sets can run on 5 hr. per gal. of gasoliene.

Having 10,000kw just to run the fridge and need maby 2,000 kw, is over kill. But its all I've got. The main thing is to keep it cold long enough to can, eat, share with next door till its no longer needed.

Sooner or later yr supply of fuel is gone, and it would be hard enough to keep the low life away when they hear a Generator running.

As for now, its saved us many times when the power gos off here in the 98* summer, or the cold Jan. I can run everything. 3 Air units, or 5 El. Heaters, Elc. stove. Elc. hot water. The longest we were out so far is 9 hrs.

Many places here in the Ozarks have been with out up to 35 days when we get 5-8" of ice with frezzing rain. Twice up in Springfield aera, and once down in Arknsas in the last 5 years.

Breaking News. Oaklahoma City is going threw what Nashville did last mo. Its 2 hr. from laying down on us. Were safe and way above the high water line. My Powder Will Stay Dry.....!
Jun 14, 2010 at 5:01 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
I could still make that last 50 or 60 days, the trick is to run essentials, only as necessary, things like AC and water heaters are conveniences, food is way more important on the list of needs and wants. I would still recommend looking at other methods of food preservation and supplementing your diet with fresh produce or game.

A few chickens for eggs, and a high power pellet rifle (1200 fps or greater) for small game (squirrels, doves, pigeons, rabbits, etc., will go a long way.

A lifetime supply of pellets
Jun 14, 2010 at 6:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
dropped my beer...

A lifetime supply of pellets is cheap, and small game is plentiful and takes no preservation, as you eat it as you gather it. It is important to recognize the differences between needs and wants.

If the world goes belly up will it be difficult?


Will it be impossible to survive?

Only if people cannot separate the distinctions above (needs and wants), and learn a few things in advance. Look at the show Survivor, everyone knows in advance they are the selected ones, yet no one learns how to do the simplest things in advance, like fire building, plant identification for the region, etc..

But then, there would really be no drama if they put a bunch of hunters, fishers, trappers, botanists, mycologists, etc., out there in a pre selected area would there.

That show would interest me...
Jun 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
One of the best things we have going for us is the 32' Owens at the marina. Pluss the fact I Love Fish. Like a rabbit, you are above your food all the time.

Been feeding cheep dog food from our slip for 15 years now. All year long all I need to do is throw a hand full. Fish, Turtles, Ducks, Geese.

That would turn land game into Desert.......? I've always said, im not worried about us. Im worried about thoes after us, when they find us.

"OH" I better send my Bride down to WallMart and pick up 10 more box of 9mm. this weekend. Wanta trade a 12 ga. shot gun for a "Martin Guitar"........?

& I could make 100 gal. last 60 days if need'ed. The key is taking out something from the frezzer and putting it in the cooler to provied the cold to keep the rest cold for the next 24 hr.

I took a normal size cooler and would pack it full of ice cubes. Rapped it with 12" thick of carpet left overs on all 6 sides. It was all ice from Fri. at 4:30, till Sun. 12:00. And then I only had about a quart or two of drinking water and pleanty of free ice from work left over.

This sat under our dock in 90* temps. I would get ice 3 times a day and had a thick small cooler on board. The water was for drinking. Nothing went to waste.

I had pleanty of ice left over Sun. night when we left and gave that away to anyone still at the dock. 2 gal milk jug froze with water would re-freeze each cycle. You & I know how do do this crap, most dont. "Raw Meat-Fish" is good with onions & mustard & Horseradish & Beer...........! If need be ?
Jun 15, 2010 at 5:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
Jun 15, 2010 at 5:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar

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