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Rand Paul, Lindsey Graham Have 'Crazy Bastard' Fight

Entertaining Senate battle over the NDAA and Gitmo.

WASHINGTON -- Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul leapt to the defense of "crazy bastards" Thusday night, arguing in a spat with fellow Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) that they are just as deserving of lawyers as anyone else.  Graham had been arguing in favor of an amendment barring the government from spending money to ship terrorism suspects from the prison base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to the U.S.

The amendement passed 54 to 41, with Paul voting for it, but the Kentucky lawmaker -- who later voted to end indefinite detention of Americans in the United States -- wanted to make clear that crazy bastards are people, too, and that they deserve to get trials in America.

"I don't really think that if we're going to have a crazy bastard standard that we shouldn't have a right to trial by jury, because if we're going to lock up all the crazy bastards, for goodness sakes, would you not want, if you're a crazy bastard, to have a right to trial by jury?" Paul said.

He meant that in all seriousness.

"I think this is a very serious debate and should not be made frivolous," Paul said in arguing against an indefinite detention system that parks suspects in Gitmo with little more than a habeas corpus hearing. "This is an ancient right that we have defended for 800 years, for goodness sakes. To say that habeas is due process is absurd. It's the beginning of due process. if you don't have a right to trial by jury, you do not have due process. You do not have a Constitution. What are you fighting against and for if you throw the Constitution out?"

Paul, at that point, was arguing for an amendment that aimed to ensure American terror suspects arrested in the United States get trials.

Source - HuffPo


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Reader Comments (10)

Ron Paul is correct. Bad is Bad, but let's give them a trial and weigh the evidence. We should not be satisfied with a further slippage of our democracy.
Dec 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterJack Lohman
I had doubts about Rand's loyalty long before he sold his soul by backing Mitt the twit. This is just one more brick in the wall. He's not cut from the same cloth as Ron. Sad
Dec 2, 2012 at 5:23 PM | Unregistered Commenterrobertsgt40
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Dec 2, 2012 at 7:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterBackgammon
I dont understand the criticism of Rand by robertsgt40 - surely that is the exact kind of speech Rob Paul would have made in this situation??
Dec 2, 2012 at 8:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterStavros
The fact that a little Crypto-Nazi creep like Lindsay Graham can use the floor of the US Senate to advocate for torture, tyranny and trampling The Constitution as compensation for his closet homosexuality is a very sad commentary. Clearly, ts Republic has sunk to heretofore unimaginable depths of depravity when filth like him can get elected to anything in this country . The people of North Carolina should hang their heads in shame every time this sickening execrable swine shows his face in public. Disgraceful.
Dec 3, 2012 at 9:57 AM | Unregistered CommenterDavid Christie
Ooops .. Yeah.. I know.. The fascist dirt-bag is actually from South Carolina. What's the difference? Same ignorant tools.
Dec 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM | Unregistered CommenterDavid Christie
Dear Lindsey, you execrable and ignorant little bastard.

How dare you stand on the floor of our Senate and advocate for your extremist right crypto-fascist bullshit?

You're not only an embarrassment to the Senate, you're a disgrace to this country.

Have you ever been right about anything? I'm trying to find something.

Indeed, your wildly absurd and patently idiotic advocacy of trampling the Constitution at every opportunity really seems to be about one main topic at the core of it all - sucking up to Israel and kissing AIPACs collective ass.

This may come as a surprise to you. But, the tax payers are providing you with a nice fat paycheck every week to represent the interests of The United States - not Israel.

By the way - When has any country ever asked permission from the more bitter adversaries as to whether they can declare themselves a state?

You're a fucking idiot.

At least pretend to do your job or resign and stop bringing shame on this country.
Dec 3, 2012 at 10:58 AM | Unregistered CommenterDiean Taylor
Well, Diean, you shouldn't hold back as you did. :-) But, as a Republican that usually likes Graham's views, I'm disappointed here. But those who voted for him should get rid of him.
Dec 3, 2012 at 11:06 AM | Unregistered CommenterJack Lohman
I guess Graham would know all about crazy bastards.
Dec 3, 2012 at 5:01 PM | Unregistered Commentersuezz
You all witness a very Ugly American speaking trash- Big shot GreyHam. One of many evil politicians but this puke wins the cake
Dec 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM | Unregistered Commenterg.g.

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