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Aug182009
Jon Stewart To Lou Dobbs: Do You Even Watch CNN? (Obama Birth Certificate Controversy Finally Laid To Rest)
I haven't paid any attention to this issue because I assumed it was complete bullshite. Now I'm sure. Birthers, have a gander at this. Kitty Pilgrim has the proof starting at the 3:40 mark. The comedy is worth watching from the beginning.
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It's amazing how the Dept. of Justice forgets to say he was a government informant who's crimes were protected by the government for many years, as long as he had "credible evidence on others"' I guess he ran out of "evidence".
Perhaps Gonzalez should run for office where his kind are accepted.
Of all the distractions we've got in front of us, this one has always been the silliest. Let's out it aside and focus on what Obama is (or isn't) doing as President.
I agree with you, this has all been a diversionary tactic to keep the populaces eye off the ball. Clear evidence of that is the fact that no one was ever worried about candidate B's Panamanian birth.
And it has worked superbly for the masses, I guess not much has changed in the "herd" since 1892
I think you're delusional if this is going to go away until he shows documents he's
spent over $1M in lawyer fees from revealing. The biggest question remains: WHY isn't he revealing them?
Show at least some docs in question and this likely goes away permanently.
End of story. Until then the BS is coming from those that don't understand this simple logic no matter how
they try to slice and dice it away. Comedy indeed.
1) It was a certification of live birth, not a certificate of birth--There is a huge difference that you can research on the web. Although now the state of Hawaii has renamed former 'certifications' 'certificates of live birth' so it makes it more confusing. Hardy any "news" organization has been able to get this point straight. Also, up until last year Hawaii did not accept the certification as proof of birth in the state for certain state aid programs, which was documented by a blogger with screen shots. Those requirements have now changed, and the certification (/newly named certificate of live birth) is accepted. Funny timing, huh. Anyway, it would be cheap and easy for Obama to get a copy of the long form, universally accepted, certificate of birth, but he prefers to spend millions fighting lawsuits about it instead. What's wrong with that guy? Does this not make one question?
2) The image of the announcement of Obama's birth in the Honolulu Advertiser has never been verified. (STILL WAITING, Kitty Pilgrim--show us your reporter creds and go out there and get it!) Everywhere it is posted, it can be traced back to an anonymous poster on the texasdarlin blog. Annenberg Politcal Fact Check usurped that image and posted it on its site without further evidence of authentication. CNN then usurped it without verification. Dear God, our journalism industry is in the toilet.
3) Who cares if he was born in Hawaii? Ninety five percent of the 'birther' movement is in regards to the natural born citizen clause in the Constitution. This is another major issue never directly addressed by the media. There are differences between being a citizen (which Obama is) and a natural born citizen. Again, this info is all over the internet for those wishing to research it. And anytime the Obama camp reiterates he is a citizen, they leave out the "natural born" phrase.
I'm on the fence as to whether this is worth pursuing. I believe Obama is not Constitutionally eligible to serve as president as his father was not a US citizen, but then again I believe the Federal Reserve is completely un-Constitutional and government run health care is prohibited by the Constitution and the Tenth Amendment. Hell, what do I know?
We don't always follow laws in this country--our justice system can be very selective. The powers that be will do anything to get the people they can most control into top positions, and Obama is a great front man for them. Unless we have a solid replacement waiting in the wings and an adequate level of education in our populace, we might as well let things run their course. The systematic destruction of our economy is the real problem and needs the majority of our education efforts, not the ineligibility of the front man. But 'birthers' should definitely not be put down--everyone has to choose their own battle front.
The most jolting part of the clip was when Stewart was mocking that 'something being on the internet makes it true'--he seemed to be implying that what one sees on 'regular news' outlet (cable, NYT) is true, which is highly ironic, sick and twisted.
Actually, there was an investigation into McCain's status: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html?referrer=delicious
The Senate ended up making a declaration that he was a "natural born citizen".
Disappointing that the newspaper birth record hasn't been validated...My feelings echo those of mark. It seems like this is a pre-election issue, not something to waste time on after the election. He's already President and no one's going to overturn it.
Our federal government has three parts. They are the Executive, (President and about 5,000,000 workers) Legislative (Senate and House of Representatives) and Judicial (Supreme Court and lower Courts).
The President of the United States administers the Executive Branch of our government. He enforces the laws that the Legislative Branch (Congress) makes. The President is elected by United States citizens, 18 years of age and older, who vote in the presidential elections in their states. These votes are tallied by states and form the Electoral College system. States have the number of electoral votes which equal the number of senators and representatives they have. It is possible to have the most popular votes throughout the nation and NOT win the electoral vote of the Electoral College.
The Legislative part of our government is called Congress. Congress makes our laws. Congress is divided into 2 parts. One part is called the Senate. There are 100 Senators--2 from each of our states. Another part is called the House of Representatives. Representatives meet together to discuss ideas and decide if these ideas (bills) should become laws. There are 435 Representatives. The number of representatives each state gets is determined by its population. Some states have just 2 representatives. Others have as many as 40. Both senators and representatives are elected by the eligible voters in their states.
The Judicial part of our federal government includes the Supreme Court and 9 Justices. They are special judges who interpret laws according to the Constitution. These justices only hear cases that pertain to issues related to the Constitution. They are the highest court in our country. The federal judicial system also has lower courts located in each state to hear cases involving federal issues.
It is very nice that they did that, however it is outside their jurisdiction to do so. Only the Supreme court has legal jurisdiction to interpret the Constitution. We all learned this in Federal Government class in high school, which is a required course.
EXECUTIVE BRANCH = ENFORCEMENT
LEGISLATIVE = ENACTMENT
JUDICIAL = INTERPRET
Since no one has "officially" won an election foreign born, and I am still watching tis last one with great interest, the courts have yet to decide...
This issue has come up before but since those trying for the office never made it, it still is in the undecided category.
The Keating 5 should have stopped candidate B from even being considered as that debacle destroyed millions of peoples life savings, but it didn't.The real question is, were we really offered the best 2 candidates America had to offer? Or were we given the choice between 2 "sacred cows" of the "moneyed priests"?
1. There's something really embarrassing or politically harmful on that piece of paper. (A really un-American sounding middle name? He's listed as "white"? Or maybe one of his parents isn't who we think they are? Any ideas?)
or
2. People like Emmanuel and Axelrod have determined that the "birthers" are just too useful and if they can keep them going it's all to the good (from their point of view).
It's definitely suspicious in one way or another.
Actually, Chester A. Arther's natural born citizen status was never resolved by a court, and several presidential candidates have run into similar qualification problems. Again, it's not mainly about the location of birth.
I'm totally on board with where you are going in your last paragraph. It really is about the ruling class versus the people. I just think one cannot disparage 'birthers' based on the facts. They have valid points, even if it is not a battle one chooses to enter or desires to see fought.
And if we go with what Mark expresses--that those who are not smart enough to stop the thing in the first place deserve to have it happen to them--then why push back on the Fed or bailouts? Hey--we weren't smart enough to prevent those.
2. People like Emmanuel and Axelrod have determined that the "birthers" are just too useful and if they can keep them going it's all to the good (from their point of view).
How is this helping Barry? Is it keeping the heat off the other mysteries? His transcripts, his Indonesian citizenship, his only other girlfriend (rich white girl with ancestral home in Germany), his militant wife, his radical dope smoking buddies and past, his...oh crap...you are right.
Why are you on the fence? Two wrongs don't make a right.
But 'birthers' should definitely not be put down--everyone has to choose their own battle front. Isn't that a put down? I am not a birther, I am a constitutional scholar like Barry Soetoro.
Issues like this is why we have a vetting process before candidates can run for the office. the other foregn born issue requires a Supreme court decision, once someone actually wins.
And I agree James H, it is very interesting...
If you lie while under oath that you uphold the constitution or in this case knowingly give false
testimony that you are a natural born citizen (B.O. is an expert in the constitution) which is a requirement to
be eligible for the office of the presidency, then you are in effect illegally the holder of that office REGARDLESS
if the voters elected you into it.
That's why this has to be resolved once and for all. The way to do that is to provide
documented PROOF that he does indeed fulfill the constitutional eligibility requirements. Hearsay is NOT proof regardless
if it comes by a verbal comment by some official from Hawaii and it is ultimately irrelevant that it happens after the fact.
If the law had been broken before or after the election results is not the question at hand.
And certainly if Bill Clinton had impeachment proceedings for what "is, is" then this certainly would be equal to that in
magnitude if pursued to its end.
Furthermore, all past potential qualified candidates for the office of the presidency that were not naturally born in U.S.
did not run for office because of this constitutional requirement. In effect by disregarding that requirement today it also
violates the civil rights of those past potential candidates in obtaining equitable treatment under law.
This layers into many levels of civil rights importance in many other facets of our society and not just the presidency.
THAT'S why it's important. And that's WHY it has to be resolved sooner rather than later to keep the fabric
of the constitution relevant for every other aspect in a democratically-based republic else we will become like a ship lost at
sea. The Constitution was crafted for precisely that reason: to guide us back to safety of port when storms hit our shores.
And yeah, you paraphrased me correctly, 'birthers' should definitely not be put down. I don't know how that can be any clearer.
imho, it's all about the Fed, people--the Fed.
"Furthermore, all past potential qualified candidates for the office of the presidency that were not naturally born in U.S.
did not run for office because of this constitutional requirement. In effect by disregarding that requirement today it also
violates the civil rights of those past potential candidates in obtaining equitable treatment under law.
This layers into many levels of civil rights importance in many other facets of our society and not just the presidency."
Chester Aurthur, Barry Goldwater, George Romney, and John McCain all ran and faced the same dilemma, and yes, it is important, but can only be settled by the Supreme Court. It can only get to the Supreme Court if one of those wronged (meaning won and denied the office, or another challenger to the issue) files a case on the Constitutional issue.
"And certainly if Bill Clinton had impeachment proceedings for what "is, is" then this certainly would be equal to that in"
How many paychecks did he miss?
@ SNK
"@ S. Gompers, I know what branches do what. I did take that class and then some. I was just pointing out that the Senate made an official declaration--it is interesting that they apparently felt it was needed."
Yes, it is interesting that all those" learned men" felt they could supersede their Constitutional powers.
"And if we go with what Mark expresses--that those who are not smart enough to stop the thing in the first place deserve to have it happen to them--then why push back on the Fed or bailouts? Hey--we weren't smart enough to prevent those."
Why wasn't this dealt with before the election, who controlled the vetting? Aww, the same "learned men" who superseded their Constitutional powers with McCain.
" I did take that class and then some"
I am sure you did take the class, and many more. I have followed your posts for some time, and can see that you are very intelligent. Gobias doesn't give you credit, and I loved his Lib jab at you almost as much as the one at me.
And to my "last paragraph" "The Keating 5 should have stopped candidate B from even being considered as that debacle destroyed millions of peoples life savings, but it didn't.The real question is, were we really offered the best 2 candidates America had to offer? Or were we given the choice between 2 "sacred cows" of the "moneyed priests"?"
I am glad we agree, in my last post I stated; " The other possibility is that all he has is a certificate of live birth, which at one time was common. That is all my Dad had, as he was born by a midwife in Hazard Ky. This created all kinds of issues when he volunteered for the Marine Corps. during early Vietnam. But he got that straightened out and put in his time in the Corps. . Holy cow! Maybe Dad wasn't born at all!!!!"
The problem is bigger than these two candidates with the same financial backers from wall street. And there is where the energy should be expended.
You two can continue sniping at each other now (it's kind of cool).
We voted for president, but the two candidates had both voted for the Bailouts. What I can't quite figure out is how anyone who voted for the Bailouts (which people opposed 10-1 or 200-1) managed to get re-elected. The only thing I can think of is that people hadn't quite figured out what had happened to them, and they were pretty distracted by the presidential horse race. I imagine that a lot of people also bought the Paulson-Bernanke line and really thought that the world might have ended had the bailouts not passed, although that seems to completely contradict people's opposition. I just hope that people's anger and mistrust keeps building until they actually get up off the couch and make some demands. It appears to be happening already.
(ha ha)
More seriously, though, no-one spends a million dollars without a reason, and no-one seals just about all records that exist in the US without a reason. Maybe he was born in Hawaii, but there's something else that needs to be covered up.
Also, as a matter or policy, you should always listen to at least two sides of any argument. Orly Taitz looks like an obvious plant to mess things up, but if you look into Phil Berg's stuff, it will raise a few questions. For example, the neighbors of the supposed address in Hawaii published in the newpaper have lived across the street from the place that he supposedly lived in, but they say there was never an Obama there. And, of course, you've probably heard the grandmother saying she was at his birth in Kenya.
I gotta be honest, I just lost a wholelotta respect for The Daily Bail.
Whenever someone doesn't listen to the other side of the argument then it
makes you wonder what BS they're foisting on everything else they have
an opinion on.
Let's just say my BS detectometer is now set on higher sensitivity.
Certainly there are aspects of this issue that are intriguing...but c'mon, our politicians would rather light their farts on fire than discuss why they handed $700 Billion to Paulson.
I must say, had I know that Goldman Sachs was Obama's 2nd biggest campaign contributor, I would not have voted for him. And I would rather see him removed from office for corruption, than some technicality.
I hope your right about people getting angry enough to do something. So far, I am very disappointed that not many people seem to care about cspanjunkie's you tube archive being erased. It's a lot easier to re-write history once you've destroyed the evidence.
It appears you have hijacked your own site with the dismissive Jon Stewart clip. So much for A Path to Federal Bankruptcy. I imagine this is a +1 one to those that are not members of your fan club, Yeahsure and Gobias Bluth inlcuded. Thanks for attempting to bring this thread back from oblivion mark, S. Gompers, and James. SNK, you said it yourself "imho, it's all about the Fed, people--the Fed." Please, STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS! You all shouldn't even respond to this feces.
Benjamin Shalom Bernanke wishes to thank Yeahsure and Gobias Bluth for their useful and informative contributions to this blog and collective human knowledge. Thank you for making this thread enjoyable and memorable. This is exactly what your corporate masters were looking for. The Keating Five on behalf of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York tell me your checks are in the mail.
Please continue to listen to your audience and post as much as possible regarding Obama's constitutional eligibility and Palin's intelligence. You should consider changing your focus.
Obama News, Opinion & Analysis. A Path between Sarah Palin's ears. Your vacation home away from pondering the bailouts and international banking, Wall Street and K Street's capture of Washington.
I need a dailybail coffee mug that says...Stop Feeding the Trolls!
Who are your corporate masters? That's a new one...
Hey James...I demand to see Barry Soetoro's Indonesian passport and I demand he tell us what he did in Pakistan.
"So far, I am very disappointed that not many people seem to care about cspanjunkie's you tube archive being erased. It's a lot easier to re-write history once you've destroyed the evidence."
You should re-read my comments on the first post regarding Junkie.
http://dailybail.com/home/the-truth-has-been-interrupted-youtube-decimates-c-span-junk.html
I think I am going to post 6,400 links to clips of Volcker, Greenspan, Bernanke, Rubin, Summers, O'Neill, Snow, Paulson, & Geithner (aka Scumbags Anonymous) lying on federalreserve.gov and ustreas.gov and see how long they last. Actually, I am going to post 6,400 comments of idle flattery regarding green shoots, how sound our financial money laundering system is, what excellent work the Chairmen and Secretaries of past and present have done, etc. I'll let YouTube focus on Evolution of Dance, Charlie bit my finger, Miley Cyrus, Susan Boyle, and Jonas Brothers.
By DailyBail to.......
"SNK.
Disappointing that the newspaper birth record hasn't been validated...My feelings echo those of mark. It seems like this is a pre-election issue, not something to waste time on after the election. He's already President and no one's going to overturn it."
Really an amazing comment coming from a supposedly learned and respected blogger that should be well-versed in the Constitution, the law itself with regards to perjury and false representation, and who should know these things in order to understand the actions of the very government he is analyzing. Truly amazing. It is essentially saying that the Constitution should be whimfully ignored and that there's an instant statute of limitations dispensated upon certain elected officials bestowed upon by what must be some ethereal higher authority and that the Supreme Court itself has apparently no jurisdiction over what is clearly a Constitutional issue that needs closure. Again providing the proof, any proof, makes this all go away but if it isn't provided then the Supreme Court must eventually step in and resolve it themselves.
Bottomline for me at least is that going forward I will think twice before I forward your opinions. Your apparent disregard for the Constitution makes me highly suspect of anything you write.
"Who is Yeahsure and why do I have to share the glorious spotlight with him? Kidding."
It is your destiny. (lol)
Say no more. Your rhodium rimmed, flawless blue diamond, Burmese ruby, and red beryl emerald encrusted Tang era sancai porcelain dailybail coffee mug is on its way. We just had the laser-etched signatures from Bernanke and Geithner filled with rhodium and the Mystery Settings completed by Van Cleef & Arpels. Sincerest apologies, but Francois Arpels refused to include the phrase "Stop Feeding the Trolls" due to its lack of elegance, style, and refinement. Francois will be using the phrase "Léchez votre cul" instead. He will be shipping the final work courtesy of Nick Popovich.
It's not as simple as you paint it to be. IF you read my comments carefully, you will see that my point all the way along is not that the issue doesn't matter but that it's time has past.
I believe in fighting for winnable causes. The birth certificate controversy can't be won by the opponents (the Supreme Court will never overturn the election at this point.)
And it actually only hurts the rest of us who are fighting against specific policies of the Obama administration such as his spending, deficit and bailout policies.
As passionate opponents, we can now be lumped in with the "birthers' and have our complaints tossed and discarded before we can even air them.
Another example would be the fight against income taxes. Constitutionalists could claim that federal income taxes are illegal. Whether technically correct or not, it's still a losing issue.
There are some causes that will do nothing but destroy credibility.
Black death, unwinnable and untouchable. So I leave them alone, usually. I thought the clip would put things to rest. Stupid me. Doesn't matter. Healthy debate is good for the soul.
We enjoy your comments. Don't get upset and leave. Hang around and debate.
And to think I thought this clip would put the issue to rest. Oh naivete.
@Yeahsure
Where did I say I didn't listen to both sides? I'm making the point that the issue is a loser politically, not judging whether or not it's true. I want no part of it.
I don't know what to say about this. Was Popovich the Lear-Jet repo-man?
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller's Memoirs (Random House, New York, 2002)
I don't believe Obama was born in a foreign country, but I have no problem with people offering evidence to the contrary. Still, we have to differentiate between:
1. Things we can do something about.
and
2. Things we CAN'T do anything about.
We can't fight every single illegal thing our government does -- not all at once, and not now. We CAN fight the bailouts and we can help people see the light on our fiscal problems before it's entirely too late. That's do-able. Restoring the republic is another matter entirely. In fact, the mythical Constitutional republic as such never even existed. Restoring the republic is a fight for another day, although bailout politics seems to be laying the groundwork for something like that. We'll see.
I'm not sure if this issue hurts those going after Obama over other issues. Eventually, he will have to answer at least a few questions, and there may not be good answers for things like travelling to Pakistan when it was illegal for Americans to do so. Sure, he had an Indonesian passport, but how many of the rubes know that? Also, some of the anger is about a general collapse in belief in the whole American way of life, including institutions, such as the press. So, while I understand James's point about fighting what we can change, I think it might be more accurate to say we are entering a period of dramatic dissatisfaction, if not outright unrest. Restoring the republic may be impossible, but trying a thousand or two criminals for destroying it isn't.
I'll drink to that! Well said.
Me too. We can start with Hank Paulson.
Yes, Nick Popovich repossessed Francois Arpels' Boeing MD-81s.
"@Yeahsure
Where did I say I didn't listen to both sides? I'm making the point that the issue is a loser politically, not judging whether or not it's true. I want no part of it. "
I understand your position on this. I agree that the political aspect is a loser but the Constitutional implications IMO are not.
Something as integrally important as ensuring that whomever is President of the United States has reached that office in clear accordance with the law is essential to restoring confidence that our system of laws will be consistently applied. When you abrogate that consistency then you have a divided nation. As a republic we cannot function economically or otherwise if we are starting down the road of division. Witness the at present symbolic-only seccession moves by various states.
If you don't trust that the Constitution will be enforced regardless of the 'pain' it will inflict on certain segments of society then you are in effect already divided. This is why in the instance of the current situation with Obama refusing to provide proof of birth which relates back to his sworn allegiance to the Constitution and to uphold the law, we now have this controversy which is weakening the nation and not strengthening it. In effect by not releasing at least enough of the requested documents to show that he has nothing to hide he is harming the nation by not uniting it behind him. This is unsustainable.
With regards to this Obama controversy I still believe this nation can handle the truth in the long run. So lets get to the truth.
"In effect by not releasing at least enough of the requested documents to show that he has nothing to hide he is harming the nation by not uniting it behind him. This is unsustainable."
No, In effect by not releasing at least enough of the requested documents to show that he has nothing to hide he is providing a diversion to focus on anything but his corporate masters at Goldman Sachs, his continued support of the military-industrial-intelligence-energy-banking complex with military expansion and wastefulness against convenient bogeymen in Afghanistan, the rotting corpse of the Wizard behind the curtain of the Fed, and his longstanding support of cronyism with his tax-evading, above-the-law criminal friends. Well, at least Cash for Clunkers was an overwhelming success. Hell, they should just give all of my tax dollars to support programs that reward failure. Rewarding failure was the Bush manta. Obama has taken the baton and picked up the pace with enthusiasm.
"No, In effect by not releasing at least enough of the requested documents to show that he has nothing to hide he is providing a diversion to focus on anything but his corporate masters at Goldman Sachs, his continued support of the military-industrial-intelligence-energy-banking complex with military expansion and wastefulness against convenient bogeymen in Afghanistan, the rotting corpse of the Wizard behind the curtain of the Fed, and his longstanding support of cronyism with his tax-evading, above-the-law criminal friends."
Now I'll drink to that.
"Several people wanted to know how the government would pay for the reforms without worsening a growing federal budget deficit.
At least two dozen protesters gathered in small groups outside, handing out pamphlets and holding signs criticizing the overhaul, Obama and Frank. Some of the posters read: "It's the economy stupid, stop the spending" and "Healthcare reform yes, government takeover, no. Tort Reform Now"
Audrey Steele, 82, from New Bedford, said she does not want the government to get involved with health care because "they just make a mess of everything," referring to the $700 billion bailout of financial institutions that was used to pay for lavish conferences and hefty executive compensation."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090819/ap_on_re_us/us_health_care_frank