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Thursday
Dec222011

BAILOUTMOBILE - Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehicle

Source - CapCon

Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

“It just goes to show  there are certain folks that will spend anything to get their vision of what people should do,” said State Representative Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills. “It’s a glaring example of the failure of central planning trying to force citizens to purchase something they may not want. … They should let the free market make those decisions.”

“This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant,” said Hohman, referring to the car produced by the former Communist state of East Germany.

According to GM CEO Dan Akerson, the average Volt owner makes $170,000 per year.

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Goldman Alum Roger Altman STEALS $46 Million From Taxpayers, Lobbies To Replace Larry Summers & Complete Government Sachs Round Trip #2

http://dailybail.com/home/goldman-alum-roger-altman-steals-46-million-from-taxpayers-l.html
Dec 22, 2011 at 2:33 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Dec 22, 2011 at 2:34 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Dec 22, 2011 at 2:35 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Steve Rattner: "GM Had No Idea On Any Given Day How Much Cash They Had"

http://dailybail.com/home/steve-rattner-gm-had-no-idea-on-any-given-day-how-much-cash.html
Dec 22, 2011 at 2:37 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Dec 22, 2011 at 2:38 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Anton Wahlman does a pretty good job of breaking down this ridiculous fuzzy math for what it really is.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11354404/1/setting-it-straight-chevy-volt-vs-the-government.html

Also, Anton is not a liberal. He describes himself this way: "Just to be clear: I am somewhere way to the right of Rush Limbaugh on the subject of government involvement in the economy."


People who actually want the real scoop should read this man's article. People who just want to be angry and buy in to the hype that you're being spoon fed, you're fine staying right here.
Dec 22, 2011 at 2:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterDavid
Electric Car Safety Tips Shared at Firehouse Expo

http://www.firehouse.com/news/top-headlines/electric-car-safety-tips-shared-firehouse-expo


Each of the two vehicles, the Volt and Nissan's Leaf, have two electrical systems, one that is purely high-voltage, up to 400 volts, used to propel the vehicle and another 12-volt system that is used much as a conventional vehicle to power accessories and lights.
"You must disconnect both," Moore said to the more than 200 people gathered to listen to his words of wisdom.
Throughout the presentation, Moore had several tips that he called "teaching points." Among those were the paramount need to make sure the vehicle is completely off while tending to patients or trying to make extrications. He said both the Volt and the Leaf have keyless, push-button "start" systems that can be de-activated by pushing the button on the dash or console once, if the vehicle is still on. Both vehicles' start mechanisms are illuminated, although Moore said neither is easy to see, especially in daylight.
Moore said both vehicles, which are not to be confused with hybrid vehicles, like the Toyota Prius, have master disconnects which are plugs in the center tunnel of the car accessible from inside the vehicle. It's also important to cut the 12-volt battery systems as well in accordance with manufacturers' requirements.
In both the Volt and the Nissan, the batteries are under the vehicle and cribbing and jacking is not recommended, Moore said.
"You will puncture the batteries if you do that and that would not be a good thing," he said. There are places were vehicles can be jacked and he recommended firefighters visit a dealership to crawl around under the rigs to get an idea where jacking can be done safely. He commented that the manufacturers do not offer suggestions on that score.
The batteries in the plug-in vehicle are remarkably different, he said, noting the Leaf and Nissan use lithium ion batteries, not the nickel hydride batteries found in hybrid vehicles.
"If you ever come across one of these that are burning, you must wear full packs," Moore said, noting that respiratory protection is essential. "It will be a respiratory problem. We are talking lethal, lethal gases. It's a very big deal. Pack up and keep it on to the very end when it's completely cooled and there are no more fumes or vapors coming off of it."
Dec 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM | Unregistered Commenterjohn
Electric vehicals are just the type incredibly gullible and ignorant Americans would want! They'd rather buy these electrified deathtraps than compel their own elected officials to put Oil-Co. owned vehical innovations into production! That would be violating US patent law! Which is worse vilating bogus US patent law to get at vehicular innovation or th DESTRUCTION OF EVERY NON-WHITE NATION THAT 'S UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE OIL & GAS INSIDE ITS BOUNDARIES?

Right now, this nation is plundering EVERY KNOWN OIL-PRODUCING NATION IN THE WORLD & ALL AMERICANS CAN DO IS VOTE FOR NEWT & RICK PERRY(2 utterly immoral, dishonest, felonious MORONS!). Then there's Romney & Obama - 2 of the most HEINOUS THUGS ever to plunge this nation into multiple wars for WHITE-BOY OIL CASH - SINCE THE BUSH FAMILY!
Dec 22, 2011 at 4:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterJosephConrad
Hey, what about the ultimate subsidy... the bailout of General Motors and Chrysler. I think we should divide that sum by the number of moronic Escalades and Durangos produced since 2009 and see what number we come up with. That's about the same logic used by the author of this study...
Dec 23, 2011 at 11:05 AM | Unregistered Commenterkc
I have a brother-in-law who manages a Ford dealership in NC. He says they regularly get new customers who were lifelong Chevy/GM buyers coming in for a new F-150 or what have you because "Ford didn't take any bailout money."

People may forget most of the now-countless episodes of financial fraud and corruption, but TARP is the one wound that just gets angrier, like a pustulant boil. The idiots on TV can yammer away about TARP being paid back ("with interest!") all they want, but the die has set in the U.S. Regular folks just aren't fooled by such nonsense talk.

What a P.R. disaster for Congress and the banks. Serves the arrogant pricks right, forced to roam the earth with a scarlet letter.
Dec 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterCheyenne
I just have one question for the greenies. What do you think is going to happen when everyone has one of these clown cars and on a 90 degree + day across the midwest or the east coast or both. They come home from work at about 3:00 when the sun is blaring and they plug in there clown car to charge it back up to 400 volts???? WOW!!! Thats gonna be some demand on the grid. I know that here in chicago we can barley keep up with the AC on a hot day. California forget about it.
Dec 23, 2011 at 1:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Norton
I don't really care much for the Volt because it uses electric for only 40 miles and then it's all gasoline. But, you people that keep saying "let the market decide what people will buy" are utter loons!!! When the ship is sinking, you don't wait for the ocean to overflow the deck before you head for the lifeboat! In the same way, you don't wait for gasoline to be $5 per gallon, before you start making electric cars and use wind turbines, solar panels, and geothermal for electricity! The 1980s isn't coming back. Oil is going away. We need renewable energy now! Either you are too selfish or ignorant to see that. And BTW, the R&D technology might cost a lot on the front-end, but with the more electric cars that they sell, those figures keep decreasing as cost per car!!

If I had my way, I would put a $40,000 tax on any NEW vehicle that didn't drive over 100 mpg. And if you made more than $200K per year and owned a gas-guzzling vehicle, then you would be taxed an additional $50K per car per year. Enough is enough. It's time selfishness and greed gets a serious smackdown, because these people are destroying the USA!
Dec 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterSuperman
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO THE DAILY BAIL AND IT'S READERS.
Dec 24, 2011 at 12:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterSageBrush
The ‘Horrific’ Details Behind Republicans’ Caving......................This is Realy Bad News........

http://godfatherpolitics.com/2800/the-horrific-details-behind-republicans-caving/
Dec 24, 2011 at 11:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
Those aren't republicans....those are 1%'ers....they all are on both sides of the isle. WE are only irritants to them...
Dec 25, 2011 at 7:50 AM | Unregistered Commenterchiller
'Joseph Conrad Dec. 22, 2011 4:33 PM'

AMEN Brother

I believe you left out history's all time worst comb over queen 'THE DONALD'
Dec 25, 2011 at 7:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlberto
Ron Paul's new You Tube Channel for those interested.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR0WZKDHlZ0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Dec 27, 2011 at 5:19 AM | Unregistered CommenterDave
Great story john. Will get it posted later today.
Dec 30, 2011 at 3:14 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
UPDATE:

Judicial Watch sues Energy Dept. for documents related to $529M Fisker loan

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/209415-judicial-watch-sues-energy-dept-for-documents-related-to-529m-fisker-loan

[snip]

A conservative watchdog group is suing the Energy Department for documents related to its $529 million loan to electric-vehicle maker Fisker Automotive.

Judicial Watch said Wednesday that it filed the lawsuit after the Energy Department failed to provide documents in response to a November Freedom of Information Act request.

“It looks like the Obama administration has another Solyndra mess on its hands, which is why they’re stonewalling the release of records regarding this shady Fisker deal,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement. “Once again the Obama administration shelled out over half-a-billion dollars to a failing and incompetent green energy company.”
Feb 8, 2012 at 5:33 PM | Registered CommenterJohn
The reasons why smart people do not buy Electric or Hybrid cars are: Batteries are expensive, short lived, efficiency isn’t 100 % and the electricity is not free. Going electric you won’t decrease Air Pollution because, 50 % of the electricity is produced by burning COAL. By the way a Jetta Diesel, TDI for $23000 makes 40MPG. With a full tank of Chevy Volt, driving non-stop, you make 37MPG, plus $3 or more, the price of electricity you charged 16.0-kW-hr lithium-ion, the hefty $10000 of the 750-pound battery pack.
Using Chevy Volt, in the Electric Mode Only, Charging and Discharging the battery pack every day, is going to cost you $1000 in electricity, plus $3000 in the battery amortization, with a TOTAL of $4000 per year.
Feb 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterEngineer
UPDATE:

GM temporarily halts production of Volt

http://thehill.com/blogs/transportation-report/automobiles/213889-gm-halting-production-of-chevy-volt


Be sure to read the comments.
Mar 3, 2012 at 8:11 AM | Registered CommenterJohn
Donors, Bundlers, and Obama Allies Secure $1 Billion in Loans, Export Jobs to Finland

http://wetheconservatives.com/donors-bundlers-and-obama-allies-secure-1-billion-in-loans-export-jobs-to-finland/

Flashback:

Gore-Backed Car Firm Gets Large U.S. Loan

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125383160812639013.html

[snip]

WASHINGTON -- A tiny car company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has just gotten a $529 million U.S. government loan to help build a hybrid sports car in Finland that will sell for about $89,000.
Mar 12, 2012 at 10:22 PM | Registered CommenterJohn
Howard and John, Why did Chrysler stop making these carss? They would burn just about everything including vegetable oil. WTH?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZuHftrpNM
Nov 4, 2012 at 1:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterSKINFLINT
"Off Topic", cuz I had noplace else to put it...........Tex !

THE GANGSTER PRESIDENT JUST CAN’T PLAY ANYTHING STRAIGHT – EARPHONE DISCOVERED DURING DEBATE.

http://itmakessenseblog.com/2012/10/24/the-gangster-president-just-cant-play-anything-straight-earphone-discovered-during-debate/

No wonder he looked So Stupit, on the first debate............Jus Sayin ?
Nov 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterTexas Dar
John, The Magna ride system was devoloped initially for Corvette and was really just an amazing system. It kills me that Cadillac got to take from Chevrolet but Cadillac did not reciprocate. One way rip off.
Nov 4, 2012 at 2:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterSKINFLINT
DB, remember Philip Falcone and light squared....

This just in.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/electric-car-maker-coda-files-for-bankruptcy-to-seek-sale-1-.html


Still working on a pretty extensive new edition of green gone wild. Sorry for the delays.

j
May 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM | Unregistered Commenterjohn

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