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Tuesday
Feb242009

Bailout News Round-Up: AIG Needs More Cash, Citigroup Needs a Friend, George Soros Can't See The Bottom And Hillary Clinton is in China Requesting That They Continue To Fund Our Debt.  

Cnbc's David Faber reported last night that AIG will show a loss of $60 billion for the quarter when they release their numbers next week, due to substantial asset writedowns particularly in their commercial real estate portfolio  Discussions are apparently ongoing with the Treasury and Fed for additional taxpayer funds needed to keep the company in operation beyond next Monday.  Seriously, how much of your money does Goldman Sachs deserve?  If the connection isn't automatic, please consider that GS hedged their entire portfolio of questionable assets with AIG.  Thus, as these assets plunge in value, GS looks to AIG for payment.  When AIG runs out of money, they return to the Treasury begging for more of your cash.  Pretty sweet work if you can find it.

Other stories early this morning include more hand-wringing over the banks plus reaction to and analysis of the home foreclosure mortgage bailout model that the Obama administration is pushing.  Several more analysts say the plan will not work.  In other news police in the UK prepare for a summer of economic protests and riots, Hillary Clinton is in China requesting nicely that they buy more of our soon-to-be worthless treasuries, and George Soros says he sees no bottom yet in the current economic crisis.

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Reader Comments (16)

Is there a mechanism by which we can't stop loaning to aig? It's a long sunk ship and a waste of emotion and time. Why hasn't the head of the CDS division of AIG been indicted. There are crimes there still not reported.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterJaza@aol.com
@Jaza

It's too late to stop funding aig's losses. They owe us enough already that we are forced to keep lending so that we might get our original monies returned. I do not think the eventual losses will be greater than $50 billion total to the government. Most of the money so far has been in the form of guarantees.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterDebt_Waiver
How much exactly has Goldman received to date from AIG-the taxpayer? Can anyone provide the number.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:37 AM | Unregistered CommenterSteve Jobs 1.0
Ge will one day have similar losses (likely thrust upon the taxpayer as well) from their extremely geared finance division. Their gear ratio is 140 currently according to this link,

http://optionarmageddon.ml-implode.com/2009/02/17/bank-leverage-stats-123108/
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:40 AM | Unregistered Commenternezzer@mailcom
@nezzer

As far as GE goes, it will depend on their charge-off ratios for this year. If thing get very difficult they will need a government bailout to the tune of $100 billion by Summer.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:42 AM | Unregistered CommenterKrugman_Sucks
Now AIG is claiming they are looking other ways to raise additional funds. Why would they come and ask the government for the money and then see their stock price get punished. They shouldn't have asked for more. And as soon as they saw the reaction in the stock price they claim they are looking for other ways to raise the money.
Feb 24, 2009 at 1:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterTobasco
Just more unpatriotic negativity from liberals who hate America and the troops.
Feb 24, 2009 at 2:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterA REAL American
@real American

there are people from both sides of the spectrum. that is one of the beauties of the bailouts as it has united groups who would never normally be on the same side. and for the record i am like millions of American, fiscal conservative social liberal.

I believe in much smaller government (perhaps 50% smaller in dollar terms) and tolerance for others and their lifestyles.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterDailyBail
@DailyBail

We will need to cut spending dramatically in order to get deficits under control. The clinton story was interesting in that regard.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=apSqGtcNsqSY&refer=worldwide

At some point they will stop buying.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterTenerife
Here is the other article on China's purchases of our debt.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/07/business/yuan.php

"At first glance, the declining Chinese appetite for U.S. debt - apparent in a series of hints from Chinese policy makers over the past two weeks, with official statistics due for release in the next few days - comes at an inopportune time. On Tuesday, the U.S. president-elect, Barack Obama, said Americans should get used to the prospect of "trillion-dollar deficits for years to come" as he seeks to finance an $800 billion economic stimulus package."
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:34 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Bill Gross's latest monthly letter to investors just published:

http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2009/Investment+Outlook+Bill+Gross+March+2009+Hairy+Lips+Sink+Ships.htm

“Where’s the bottom?” someone shouted at a recent PIMCO staff meeting. “Which market?” I shot back, which sort of ended the conversation, but provided little else in the way of an answer. The fact is (I should have said) that financial delevering affects most markets in the same way; they are similar trades. As unwinding leverage fails to be cushioned by a government check, prices go down on risk assets. Only the strong – or in this case – the highest quality assets survive. And so the bottom for risk assets is divorced and distinct from government guaranteed assets. “Where’s the bottom and where’s the top?” would have been a better question. No one knows of course, but we make educated guesstimates and try to communicate them to an enquiring public. We believe in giving a listener, as well as any one of our more than eight million individual clients, their money’s worth.

One thing I’ve never done however, is provide expert testimony in front of a congressional subcommittee. Newport Beach probably doesn’t have the cachet of Wall Street, or perhaps my style has always been a little irreverent or my brain a little irrelevant – I’m not sure. In any case, I thought I’d create my own virtual testimony to a hypothetical committee delving into the complexities of our financial crisis. What follows is what might have taken place last week.

Gross is quite arrogant. Upset that he's never been asked to testify.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:40 PM | Unregistered Commenterair_jordan
Bill Gross does little but talk his book wherever he happens to be at the moment. Sure he has been a good manager for his clients but I do not trust much of what he says anymore.

This from Bloomberg opinion:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aKytoVAjRt5s&refer=home
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterTenerife
Americans Would Be Lucky to Mimic 1990s Japan: William Pesek

Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) -- It’s time to stop debating whether the U.S. is becoming Japan.

The U.S. already is Japan with near-zero interest rates, a broken financial system and politicians who don’t seem to realize the severity of the economy’s plight. The only question is whether the U.S. will be so lucky.

Lucky? Japan? Well, yes. For all its rigidities and idiosyncrasies, Asia’s biggest economy never fully collapsed. It never got near a depression, nor did deflation get out of control the way many analysts predicted following the implosion of the 1980s bubble economy.

The nation’s slide had a hydraulic quality. While asset prices plunged, the economy drifted lower at a glacial, almost managed pace for a decade until growth returned in 2002. Homelessness and crime ticked up a bit, yet Japan didn’t unravel. Households merely adjusted and lived off their savings. Even though considerable pain ensued and untold wealth was destroyed, Japan muddled along.

U.S. politicians who today say stimulus efforts are too big aren’t paying enough attention to the lessons from Japan.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterTenerife
This article especially resonated with me - and those who are suffering the most can sleep soundly in their cars knowing that their hard earned tax dollars are bailing these entitled bastards out.

http://ashizashiz.blogspot.com/2009/02/game-of-life.html?
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterAngry Jones
Billionaires in China going to Jail As Markets Unravel:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=a3ZipCygZpsk&refer=home

Billionaire Perp Walk.
Feb 24, 2009 at 7:48 PM | Unregistered Commenter12 cent mudpies
tenerife -- we won't be as lucky as Japan -- at least they HAVE savings to live off of -- they also don't have an entitlement mentality. The USA is in for a world of hurt.
Feb 25, 2009 at 10:43 AM | Unregistered Commenterchubbz de linquente

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