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Wednesday
Mar252009

Look Out Krugman, Belief In Keynes Is Belief In Self-Delusion: Peter Schiff Tells The Truth About The Recession And Government Spending (Morning Joe Video)

 

I want to be clear that the line 'belief in Keynes is belief in self-delusion' is my crack and not Schiff's.

I don't normally post Peter Schiff videos.  No real reason.  He's solid. He saw it coming, but seriously, so did thousands. 

Only the people in charge of watching it, didn't see it coming.  Greenspan, Bernanke, Bush, Paulson, Geithner, Bob Rubin, Chuck Prince, Jimmy Cayne, Richard Fuld, Joseph Cassano, AIG, Sheila Bair, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, the SEC, Chris Cox, Ben Stein is an idiot, CNBC, FOX, CNN, The New York Times, Larry Summers, The Wall Street Journal and all the Bank CEOs.  Just to name a few.

But Peter was on MSNBC's Morning Joe today with Joe Scarborough and the annoyingly submissive Mika Brezinzki (for the record, I don't watch this show).  And he rocked.  Outstanding.  Listen, I love Paul Krugman for fighting for taxpayers against Geithner's bank rescue plan.  But I think he's dead wrong about stimulus spending and the power of government spending in general.

The entire 8 minute clip is excellent, but if you just want the frontal assault on Krugman and Keynesians, start the clip at the 2:20 mark.  Here's a taste.

"Keynes.  It's nonsense.  He's like a witch doctor in medicine. You can't follow Keynes. Keynes didn't understand Economics." 

 

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March 25 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. government wants to clear as much as $1 trillion in soured loans and securities from bank balance sheets with its latest bailout plan.

That might prove a short-term respite. No sooner might the Treasury Department mop up those assets than $1 trillion or more in new ones spring up to take their place.

That is due to the potential return of assets held in so- called off-balance-sheet vehicles that banks may soon have to put back onto their books. The end result may be that banks are in no better shape to increase lending even after the government bailout.

So investors betting for quick solutions to the financial crisis could be disappointed. The tangled web that banks wove over the years will take a long time to undo.

At the end of 2008, for example, off-balance-sheet assets at just the four biggest U.S. banks -- Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Wells Fargo & Co. -- were about $5.2 trillion, according to their 2008 annual filings.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=akv_p6LBNIdw&refer=home
Mar 25, 2009 at 5:18 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
VERY INTERESTING

Evidence from dealbreaker that most hedge and PE funds want nothing to do with the Geithner plan. Read the comments.

http://dealbreaker.com/2009/03/why-does-john-paulson-hate-the.php#comments
Mar 25, 2009 at 6:37 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
March 25 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama is putting former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker in charge of a tax-code review aimed at closing loopholes, streamlining the law and generating revenue, budget Director Peter Orszag said.

Volcker, 81, who heads the president’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board, is being asked to take a look at the laws in an effort to rebalance the tax system.

Orszag said the review, given a deadline of Dec. 4, is being ordered to make recommendations on steps to simplify the code, built over the last 96 years, in ways that would reduce tax evasion and what he called “corporate welfare.”

“There are hundreds of billions of dollars in uncollected taxes each year,” Orszag said in a conference call. The Volcker board “will be examining ways of being even more aggressive on reducing the tax gap.”


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNoTPC_qo8Dw&refer=home
Mar 25, 2009 at 6:38 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Hat tip to dealbreaker.

Law student gets Bernard Madoff's brother's assets frozen

http://www.newsday.com/iphone/ny-bzpete0326,0,4408938.story
Mar 25, 2009 at 6:39 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
Bravo Peter Schiff. At least the Europeans have awakened to the reality that stimulus spending will not help.
Mar 26, 2009 at 2:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterGenevieve
Why do they always SHOOT the messenger? Poor Pete, he's been trying to warn these asshats for years. He might as well just save his breath to cool his soup. They WILL NEVER ADMIT wrongdoing or any chicanery!!!!!---It was all the economic cycle.....B.S.! It was a bunch of crooks running the show pretending to be Economic Kings of the Universe.......Someone needs to dethrone the Kings of the kingdom!!!!
Mar 26, 2009 at 9:21 AM | Unregistered CommenterAin't Bullshittin'
@DailyBail

You left Bloomberg off your list among other major players too numerous to mention. :P
Mar 30, 2009 at 7:38 PM | Unregistered Commenterspideydouble
Didn't Volcker make the decision for the U.S. to suspend gold convertibility in the early 70's? He certainly played a major role in the decision at least. He is also credited with driving many family farmers out of business with 20% interest rates in the 70's that brought on the transition to today's corporate farming interests who had better access to discount loans through political connections, the same political connections today's bailout recipients rely on - well maybe not in the case of Lehman Brothers. Or maybe Lehman Brothers' bankruptcy was the modern day equivalent of Pearl Harbor for the Finance Industry. Or another 9/11. We got to save them banks! [sarcasm]

Among being chairman of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board, Volcker is a member of the CFR, was a founding member of the Trilateral Commission, is a member of the Trust Committee of Rockefeller Group, Inc., and is Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Group of Thirty. At a minimum, he is engaged in serious conflicts of interest and has little independent credibility. Never trust an insider to "fix" the tax code. Volcker is certain to "fix" the code for his corporate sponsors and the corporate sponsors of those he reports to, namely President Obama.

GS was Obama's second largest contributor to his 2008 Presidential election campaign with $1,035,095 in bribes pre-paid in full.
http://www.opensecrets.org/races/contrib.php?cycle=2008&id=PRES
Interestingly JP Morgan Chase & Co, Citigroup, UBS, and Morgan Stanley were top contributors as well.

GS was in the top 20 largest contributor list to Obama's 2004 Senatorial election campaign with a measly $58,000 in bribes pre-paid in full. Interestingly Soros Fund Management and JP Morgan Chase & Co were top contributors as well.
http://www.opensecrets.org/races/contrib.php?cycle=2004&id=ILS2
Mar 30, 2009 at 8:35 PM | Unregistered Commenterspideydouble
@DailyBail

$5.2 trillion in off-balance-sheet assets at BAC, C, JPM, and WFC you say? Can you say CMBS and Option ARMs? I think even those filings may be conservative. Ouch!
Mar 30, 2009 at 8:42 PM | Unregistered Commenterspideydouble
Whoever holds CMBS holds pain.

Gonna be tough on many regional and community banks that went nuts with commercial shite.
Mar 31, 2009 at 4:27 AM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
John Maynard Keynes was right about deficit spending when in a liquidity trap. The solution to the Great Depression?: the massive deficit spending episode known as World War 2. As for Schiff being prescient about the housing bubble, there were many actual economists who predicted the housing bubble (the liberal Dean Baker,for one). The fiscal problem we have is a result of irresponsible tax cuts advocated for by prehistoric schools of economics(the Austrian school is a prime example), reckless amounts of military spending, and a 30 year propaganda campaign to convince Americans that raising taxes is immoral.
Jul 14, 2009 at 7:39 PM | Unregistered Commentergalbraith fan
I like Galbraith as well. To better explain my occasionally rabid anti-Keynesian rants: I do understand that spending helps marginally, of course. My issue is the type of spending we typically see in stimulus programs is weak and doesn't multiply well, plus there is up to 20% lost due to waste and corruption.

Private sector spending happens MUCH FASTER, there is less skim for graft and it tends to multiply more effectively because it creates permanent employment.

We love Dr. Galbraith for his Fed stance and are happy to debate him on the more contentious issues.

Thanks for your comment.
Jul 14, 2009 at 11:39 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
No wonder people find it impossible to understand what's going on during these complex and uncertain times. This interview of Peter Schiff with MSNBC is an embarrassment of misinformation and partisanship. How can a BUSINESS channel broadcast ridiculous pap?! In the first place the interviewer is hardly impartial, he behaves like a hysterical schoolgirl who is totally in love with Peter Schiff. This man is supposed to be completely impartial. He is supposed to seek the truth by challenging false assumptions and rigorous intellectual analysis. But the interviewer comes across as a buffoon who apparently doesn't even know that China has its own currency. As for Peter Schiff, he is the most dangerous kind of pseudo-intellectual. He's glib and seems to understand what's going on, but in fact knows nothing. Such people fill the ignorent masses with missinformation and silly rationalizatons. Before beliving Schiff's nonsense, it should be kept in mind that Keynesian economics is widely credited as one of the greatest economists (including Milton Friedman) who ever lived. Kensian economics is credited for bringing the world out of the great depression. Paul Krugman is a Nobel Prize winner in economics. Who's judgment are you going to trust? It is important, even vital, that the public understands what is going on in during these complex and difficult times. An educated public will support good public policy which will heal the economies of the world. A misinformed public will prevent our political leaders from making rational decisions to get us out of this mess.
Jul 26, 2009 at 8:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterFrankiethepunk
@ Frankiethepunk

"This interview of Peter Schiff with MSNBC is an embarrassment of misinformation and partisanship. How can a BUSINESS channel broadcast ridiculous pap?! In the first place the interviewer is hardly impartial, he behaves like a hysterical schoolgirl who is totally in love with Peter Schiff. This man is supposed to be completely impartial. He is supposed to seek the truth by challenging false assumptions and rigorous intellectual analysis."

As opposed to any other interview? I agree with you, but this has always been the case, and not just with MSNBC. At least an alternative bias is now being vocalized rather than from Keynes fanboys only, like yourself.

"He's glib and seems to understand what's going on, but in fact knows nothing."

Quit spreading FUD and speaking in hyperbole. What was Schiff wrong about and why? Can you prove that Schiff knows nothing or otherwise provide a defensible argument? I doubt it.

"Before beliving Schiff's nonsense, it should be kept in mind that Keynesian economics is widely credited as one of the greatest economists (including Milton Friedman) who ever lived."

You mean Keynes was widely credited as one of the greatest economists who ever lived. Those days are over, or soon will be.

"Kensian economics is credited for bringing the world out of the great depression."

Or prolonging it. Depends who you listen to.

"Paul Krugman is a Nobel Prize winner in economics. Who's judgment are you going to trust?"

Krugman's Nobel Prize gives him more credibility than others without such prominent awards. However, this could possibly be viewed as even more dangerous than you suggest of Schiff, because in Krugman's case, the public believes the majority of what he says because of his name only rather than the merits of his arguments independent of his award. The same level of scrutiny is no longer applied and the healthy level of skepticism that should exist for any argument has gone completely out the window. Time is ultimately the judge of all, and Nobel Prize or not, his wise judgments or lack thereof will be what he is known for long after he passes on.
Jul 26, 2009 at 2:03 PM | Unregistered Commenterspideydouble
@ galbraith fan

"The fiscal problem we have is a result of irresponsible tax cuts advocated for by prehistoric schools of economics(the Austrian school is a prime example) ..."

Nice disingenuous swipe. Prehistoric schools is a new one to me. Are you thinking Mesozoic specifically? Maybe that's why the positions are so refined. They have had an extraordinary period of time to think the arguments through and withstand the test of time, rather than the sixty or so years the Keynesian school has had to prove itself an utter disaster. Milton Friedman agrees.
Jul 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM | Unregistered Commenterspideydouble
No need to reprise...Spidey handled it pretty well.

The most laughable comment you made was giving Keynes credit for ending the Great Depression...bwahhhaaaa...nice try.
Jul 27, 2009 at 12:44 AM | Registered CommenterDailyBail

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