Boston Victim Who Lost Both Legs Helped FBI Find Suspects
"He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, 'bag, saw the guy, looked right at me.'"
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PHOTO - SUSPECT HAS BEEN CAPTURED ALIVE
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Bloomberg
Minutes before the bombs blew up in Boston, Jeff Bauman looked into the eyes of the man who tried to kill him.
Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.
Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. A picture of him in a wheelchair, bloodied and ashen, was broadcast around the world as he was rushed to Boston Medical Center. He lost both legs below the knee.
“He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me,’” Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview.
On April 15, Remy Lawler, 25, was standing with Bauman, said her father, Arthur Lawler, of Amesbury. Shortly before the explosion, Remy, who’s the roommate of Jeff’s girlfriend, Erin Hurley, moved closer to the finish line, away from Bauman and another friend, to take better photographs.
She suffered a baseball-sized shrapnel wound.
Shortly after, Lawler called her mother’s cell phone and left a message in which she cried “Mom! Mom!” Medics could be heard telling her, “You’re going to be all right,” her father said.
“She feels guilty about a lot of this -- that she wasn’t with her friends,” Arthur Lawler said.
It would take hours before the Bauman family knew what had happened to Jeff. They learned about it the way much of the world did: the grisly image on television of their son being wheeled from the scene, his lower legs destroyed.
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Photo of the bag dropped at the feet of Jeff Bauman.
First responders including Carlos Arredondo, in cowboy hat, tend to Jeff Bauman, who was severely wounded after two explosions occurred along the final stretch of the Boston Marathon on Boylston Street in Boston on April 15, 2013.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-19/suspects-father-says-he-believes-sons-were-framed
Ofc. Tippett scenario
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-mit-gunshots-idUSBRE93I04520130419
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRIpB2jkCRs
REDO - Stunning Video - Missile used in Texas - Closer Look @ Video
the sound of a jdam missile
http://blogdogcicle.blogspot.com/2013/04/navy-seals-spotted-at-boston-marathon.html
Mass Casualty Drill On Same Day As Waco Explosion
Navy SEALs Spotted at Boston Marathon Wearing Suspicious.
http://www.bbmisc.com/tempor/showthread.php?20697-Boston-Bombing-Actor
Aside from annihilating this ridiculous story plumped by the media, these photos conclusively expose cowbow-man's tale of action fed to the New York Times as a total fabrication. Here is the NY Times' piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/us/in-grisly-image-a-father-sees-his-son.html?_r=1&
The man in the hat at Boston Marathon finish line: Carlos ...
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/16/17773869-the-man-in-the-hat-at-boston-marathon-finish-line-carlos-arredondo-didnt-set-out-to-be-hero?lite
Carlos Arredondo, Boston and the World's Hero | MichaelMoore.com
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/carlos-arredondo-boston_b_3094748.html
Any good judge throws any case out if defense or prosecution seeks to deceive the judge. The MSM and past five presidential administrations have been deceivers and liars on a regular basis and were/are beholden to the Rothschild controlled and owned Associated Press and the Council on Foreign Relations' CFRtv. Wait until the fur stops flying on this one. Jim Stone is right again. I'm not letting go of this one either. I have never lied in my comments on The Daily Bail. And I have submitted some hard hitting information. If America does not stand alert, we are fuckt. Our government murders a million kids in other innocent countries and nobody gives a damn. A couple of people are injured or killed by a terrorist event(probably home grown like all the rest of the FBI fakes) in this country, and we lose all our rights. Do the math. It does not take a genius to figure this one out. Nick Vogt. Remember the name. Look at the photos again. Deceits stand out like at Denver and Sandy Hook.
I have never accused you of lying. I appreciate all discourse. Free speech rules the day here. I don't agree that the Boston Bombing was a fake staged event. The injuries are real including the wheelchair guy, Bauman. I know for a fact. There is nothing else to say on the subject.
Now, there can be plenty to discuss about whether these kids did it, were they set up by someone, was the FBI involved somehow, etc. Those are all completely legitimate questions. But the bombing wasn't fucking fake. It happened.
As I told Cheyenne, I know 4 people who ran the race this year.
And two of them were near the finish line when the bomb went off.
One of them is a pediatrician who witnessed the triage efforts.
They saw the bloodshed. It was absolutely fucking real.
John knows many more people who were also there.
I am tired of the insinuation that these people are lying about their injuries and the mayhem caused.
I posted a video the other night from the Chief of Trauma at Mass General talking about the wounded to try to put an end to this nonsense of calling these fake injuries. He is also a professor of Surgery at Harvard Medical School.
Watch this:
http://dailybail.com/home/mass-general-trauma-surgeon-discusses-bomb-injuries.html
Last I heard more than 25 people had at least 1 limb amputated.
I love you man, but this link you posted is absolute nonsense.
http://www.bbmisc.com/tempor/showthread.php?20697-Boston-Bombing-Actor
I read it very carefully, looked at all the photos, followed the links, and I thought it was ridiculous. Some of that guy's claims literally had me rolling on the floor laughing at what a dumbfuck he was.
No offense intended but it reminded me of an email I got a few years ago from a woman who was convinced Hank Paulson was dead and the Gov't was using a holographic image of Paulson to conduct his testimony before Congress. Search Youtube if you want, there is a video that tries to make that case.
You stated earlier that you don't believe the injuries are fake.
I don't mean to give you a hard time, Cheyenne, but I don't understand why you're buying into this nonsense. Clearly there are unanswered questions about this whole thing, but the bombs and the wounds seem real enough. And you know this isn't knee-jerk on my part. Did Putin bomb those apartments? Maybe. Did FDR know Japan would attack? Almost certainly. Is there something fishy about Oklahoma? You betcha. Did the FBI know about WTC 1993 and fuck it up? It is a fact they did.
What's the deal?
Any doubts left - watch this.
http://dailybail.com/home/graphic-video-moments-after-boston-bomb-exploded.html
Minutes after the bomb exploded.
Here's the Paulson hologram clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G9pWQbgtgQ
It's a must watch for the first few minutes. Even has 7 thumbs up votes on Youtube..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=234_1366403136
It’s not my practice to make impossibly vague statements like the one you attribute to me (“the injuries”; what injuries?) and in fact I never said that. Here is what I said: “There were undoubtedly real injuries, lots of them.”
http://dailybail.com/home/watch-live-fbi-releases-video-of-boston-suspects.html
That is an extremely far cry from a statement of total credulousness over every “injury” in Boston shown by the media, which I would never make and did not in fact make.
You keep playing the media’s game of accept 100% of what we show you, or accept 0%. I rejected that patently false dichotomy yesterday and do so again here. Can we stipulate that I accept a non-zero percentage of information presented by the media as true and be done with this silliness?
Now, as to whether or not Bauman’s injuries (2 severed legs, 2 severed femoral arteries, etc.) are real, I am most interested in which contentions made by that poster (whose photos you leave unremarked in their entirety) would lead you to conclude that he is “a dumbfuck”:
(1) “I've studied and graduated EMT-B certification with the state of Oregon.”
(2) “I've been on calls with heavy arterial bleeds, internal bleeding, fatalities, doa's. I am speaking from direct personal experience with severe trauma.”
(3) “If you loose [sic] both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, youre dead after two.”
(4) “Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular tissue.”
(5) “The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in it.”
(6) “You would also see what's called arterial spurting [sic] from the injury. Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then turning delirious or passing out.”
(7) “[The tourniquet is] not even tied off, its suspended via gravity, which would literally do nothing to an arterial sever. There's no pressure applied”
(8) “There's no knott [sic] with a turn stick for leverage. You can clearly see a gap in the nonexistent wrap job on his left inner thigh (left anterior proximal for you experts)”
(9) “His hands have no blood on them. There's no blood on the ground. The color in his hands and lips shows good circulation.”
I’m interested in which of these contentions has warranted, in your estimation, the “dumbfuck” label? They all seem eminently reasonable—unless I blindly believed in the flawless truth-telling function of the media, whose presentation of Bauman’s “injury” contradicts every single one of those contentions except for the first two (the writer’s stated credentials).
But let’s get down to the money question here, the answer to which will reveal the bone of contention, so to speak, that divides us…
(10) Is it POSSIBLE that the media’s Bauman story was staged? If not, why not?
I wasn't trying to misquote you on the injuries. I see 2 tourniquets on Bauman. In fact I don't see anything the EMT sees. He has lost his fucking mind. The photos are horrible and difficult to see he makes the most ridiculous assertions about them. Still photographs that grab a millisecond of time can be picked apart by anyone.
I don't believe the media 100% -- that actually makes me laugh. But I believe my buddy who watched the triage first-hand in Boston. Look at Pitch's link again:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=234_1366403136
Why would there be one fake injury amid all the real bloodshed. Were the actors waiting secretly beneath the grandstand ready to pop out and apply the fake blood and attach the prosthetics to just this one guy. That must have taken an awful lot of planning and coordination with whomever it is that set off the bombs.
Were the actors part of a Pro-Chechyn group and working with the brothers? Or were they working with the FBI?
It might be the least plausible thing I've ever heard in my life.
Bauman was an amputee well before this episode. The prostheses include bloodied bones and are attached onto the stumps.
"What happened to the rest of Jeff Bauman's legs?"
They were cut off months or years before the Marathon.
"And what the hell was Bauman standing on before the bomb went off?"
How should I know? Crutches? A wheelchair? Relevance?
"Bauman's legs are splattered on the pavement."
I see. I must've missed that photo. Have a link?
"You can see a foot in one published phot and there's bits and pieces in other photos, including the ones cited on BB Misc."
Yes. I saw that. I was as convinced of its reality as I was of Bunny's severed toe in the Big Lebowski.
"the bombs and the wounds seem real enough."
Really? That's your standard of proof for the media--seeming real?
Let me ask you this: if that runner was close enough to the bomb to be knocked down by its percussive force, why wasn't he hit by even a single piece of shrapnel? Is it possible there was none?
http://dailybail.com/home/mass-general-trauma-surgeon-discusses-bomb-injuries.html
He also is a professor of Surgery at Harvard.
Is he in on the shrapnel conspiracy as well?
And that's fine. That's your opinion on the Bauman issue. Let it be noted that you never addressed (3), (4), (5), (6), (7), (8), or (9). Instead you want to pose broad, general questions that don't bear on the specific issues concerning Bauman.
I saw Pitch's link. It contradicts another known photo of the running man with blood smeared across his arm. Yes?
As long as we're generalizing, I have found a most compelling video explaining why people lend credence to media stories (regardless of their intrinsic merits)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywewO3H08FQ
Seriously, I missed this. Where?
""You can see a foot in one published phot and there's bits and pieces in other photos, including the ones cited on BB Misc."
Yes. I saw that. I was as convinced of its reality as I was of Bunny's severed toe in the Big Lebowski."
Haven't seen that fillum, but why are the bits of flesh and leg/foot not convincing?
Come again? Just not sure what you're referencing here.
""And what the hell was Bauman standing on before the bomb went off?"
How should I know? Crutches? A wheelchair? Relevance?"
Well, it's relevant because there are photos of him standing around watching the race before the bomb went off. No crutches or wheelchair is visible. Surely you see the relevance? If he didn't have legs, then he'd have to be standing on something else. What happened to those prosthetics, if the bloody bones prosthetics were put on later?
"Really? That's your standard of proof for the media--seeming real?"
No, obviously. Seeming real is the conclusion. All the other stuff is the evidence. Don't put my cart before my horse.
OK Here Goes
(3) “If you loose [sic] both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, youre dead after two.”
Not true - See traumatic war injuries in the field - Soldiers even survived these injuries sometimes in Vietnam when it would take 30 minutes to get to a hospital. My dad was a surgeon in Vietnam and we've talked about this issue in relation to modern war where we have mobile hospitals, etc. Not easy to save someone who gets their legs blown off but it is possible and happens all the time in war.
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(4) “Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular tissue.”
Yeah So What Too General - Means Nothing
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(5) “The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in it.”
Not True - The blood could bleed downward with gravity away from his body.
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(6) “You would also see what's called arterial spurting [sic] from the injury. Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then turning delirious or passing out.”
Not True - Any photo grabs a millisecond of time, and can be deceiving.
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(7) “[The tourniquet is] not even tied off, its suspended via gravity, which would literally do nothing to an arterial sever. There's no pressure applied”
Not True - I see 2 Tourniquets, maybe 3.
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(8) “There's no knott [sic] with a turn stick for leverage. You can clearly see a gap in the nonexistent wrap job on his left inner thigh (left anterior proximal for you experts)”
Bullshit - You can't tell at all - picture is not clear enough.
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(9) “His hands have no blood on them. There's no blood on the ground. The color in his hands and lips shows good circulation.”
Not True - I see blood on his hands in several places. And it's also likely they gave him a towel at some point which he used to wipe away blood.
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Fair is fair so it's your turn to answer my questions:
Why would there be one fake injury amid all the real bloodshed. Were the actors waiting secretly beneath the grandstand ready to pop out and apply the fake blood and attach the prosthetics to just this one guy. That must have taken an awful lot of planning and coordination with whomever it is that set off the bombs.
Were the actors part of a Pro-Chechyn group and working with the brothers? Or were they working with the FBI?
I don't recall seeing those photos but will stipulate that they exist. Presumably the same person who attached the bones also removed whatever he stood on beforehand.
Look. I suspect that the real difference between you and DB on the one hand and myself on the other really boils down to our respective presumptions with respect to the media: I treat them as a cop would a suspect, having seen them try to fob off false evidence again and again in pursuit of an agenda (even when I don't know what's behind the agenda). I ask specific, narrow questions about things that seem really "off" to me. I worry about grand unifying theories later.
Since there is some acrimony in this thread, I will tell you a story about a formative experience I had as a lawyer many years ago so you have a sense of where I'm coming from on these things.
I worked a case where the issue was whether a company had built a particular electronic device in 1988 or in 1987. The company trotted out a countless number of employees who said it was in 1987 (which would have invalidated a valuable patent asserted against it). One after one, they explained in detail their recollections on the matter and were subjectively convinced (and passionate) that 1987 was the real date.
I knew it couldn't be true having combed over 100's of thousands of internal documents, which yielded a few critical details that debunked the 1987 theory. But the affidavits of specific recollections that couldn't be true kept coming. Ultimately we won the case by destroying witnesses on cross-examination using the contemporaneous evidence on specific, narrow details.
Those people were convinced that they were right well after the ruling came down against their company. One of the cases we cited was the "Barbed Wire" decision by the Supreme Court from the 19th Century.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/143/275/case.html
There's a long quote that basically says people's minds can become so twisted to suit their beliefs that "proof shall be clear, satisfactory, and beyond a reasonable doubt" in order for it to invalidate a (written) patent. The proof that won the case I worked on (for 7 years) was the narrow and specific details, not the broader proofs (we were working on these kinds of projects starting in 1985) put on by the other side together with memories that had been filled-in quite a bit by attorneys all to willing to fabricate evidence.
That's a long way of saying the Devil is in the details, which will trump the general approach every time (at least on the merits).
My opinion is that the media's lies are far deeper and more extensive that most people are psychically ready to handle, and that the best way to get at the truth of that is by hammering on details. It's just a difference in viewpoint and method.
I have no acrimony. I just like to argue from time to time. Just like you do. All is fair between friends. Carry on.
Here's a good pic and commentary on The Navy Seals from Tradecraft
Here’s a picture of three of these men reacting to the explosion. The one in the middle is the same guy in the radiation detector photo.
http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/articles/The_Craft_Three_Guys-600.jpg
All three of the men look surprised, even shocked by the events. This would argue against their prior knowledge of the bombings, which was a stretch to begin with. These guys are high-level security nothing more.
Again, the real question is (which we've covered elsewhere) -- was there a bomb threat ahead of time they didn't tell us about?
But right now I cannot stop looking at pictures of the area around the explosion site. For the life of me, there are two photos that I cannot reconcile in terms of their sequence. Here's the first one...
http://postimg.org/image/ibxqc2qlh/
The characters here are Cowboy Carlos (who's chilling with his hat and that inevitable American flag), cute black chick in red and white (call her Kim) and Sunglasses (who's reclining on what appears to be a human couch). There is a bit of white haze about, but not nearly as much as you see in this sequence of photos...
http://imgur.com/a/9MPLT
These appear to be taken before the first one (and right after a blast apparently). In these we see Sunglasses (who's assisting Bauman), Kim, and Sunglasses. (I'll note in passing that Bauman isn't much of a bleeder for a guy whose lower legs were just blasted off). BUT WHERE'S CARLOS?
He must not have arrived at the scene yet. But if that's the case, where is Bauman in the first still above? It almost looks as if Carlos and Sunglasses are waiting for Bauman to arrive--again assuming the reel photos predate the still.
If the sequence is reversed so that the still is AFTER the reel, then why the hell isn't Carlos with Bauman and the wheelchair.
Oh, and of course the reel photos are also interesting for the first couple of frames in which Pitch's man is getting the hell out of Dodge in those torn Incredible Hulk pants...
In the first pic isn't Bauman behind the cute black girl? Isn't that part of his leg showing?
“With the first blast, Mr. Arredondo jumped over the fence and ran toward the people lying on the ground. What happened next, he later recounted to a reporter: He found a young man, a spectator, whose shirt was on fire. He beat out the flames with his hands. The young man, who turned out to be Jeff Bauman, had lost the lower portion of both legs. He took off a shirt and tied it around the stump of one leg. He stayed with Mr. Bauman, comforting him, until emergency workers came to help carry him to an ambulance.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/17/us/in-grisly-image-a-father-sees-his-son.html?_r=0
That’s what Good Samaritans do when they find someone whose legs have been blasted off—they extinguish the flames from the victim’s shirt with their bare hands.
But Cowboy Carlos is just standing there playing with his hat and his American flag, not concerned in the least about whoever’s behind Kim. That must be someone else whose leg was blown off.
Bauman is clearly there when the bomb goes off, along with Kim and Sunglasses -- you see that in the "reel." Bauman isn't carted off until after Kim (why?) and after the barrier is moved away, because there are pictures of Bauman rolling around while the white girl who was killed is lying nearby, BUT the fence/barrier is gone. In the initial aftermath of the blast, the dying girl and her white friend are all tangled up next to the wooden barrier. You can see that in both of the still and the "reel" you posted. Question for me is why Kim is put on the stretcher before Bauman. Maybe people just assumed Bauman was a goner -- maybe his injuries were just too much initially, even for big-city EMTs. I don't know.
Having said that, there were too many people on site that others know.
There is John of this site. My cousins son was also at the site, he is a strong kid (27) and he was sick.
He said the blood and the screams were VERY real.
I didn't specifically ask about the guy in the wheelchair but again, why stage just the wheelchair guy, Bauman?
We didn't need to make it any worse than it was.
Personally, I still have questions about Sandy Hook, Benghazi, and Fast & Furious.
So you think this is all part of the elaborate hoax as well?
http://www.gofundme.com/BucksforBauman
16:45 GMT: Friends of the Boston bombing victim Jeff Bauman, who lost both his legs below the knee, have set up an online fundraiser to help him pay for the hospital bills. Bauman was almost killed by the blast after an explosive devise detonated right next to where he stood watching the marathon. Despite his serious condition, Bauman managed to describe the suspect, who later turned out to be of the Tsarnaev brothers, immediately upon gaining consciousness in intensive care. Nearly $350,000 has already been collected for Bauman in what his friends called “amazing” public support they were “truly blessed to have.”
Is the Harvard doctor also lying?
I'm still waiting for you to answer this question::
Why would there be one fake injury amid all the real bloodshed. Were the actors waiting secretly beneath the grandstand ready to pop out and apply the fake blood and attach the prosthetics to just this one guy. That must have taken an awful lot of planning and coordination with whomever it is that set off the bombs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOzoq1rxyOw
Again, I think Bauman is just being blocked by Kim in the still showing Carlos looking on.
Marathon principal sponsor John Hancock Financial Services kicked off the fund with a $1 million commitment and firms including Bain Capital, AT&T and Partners HealthCare followed suit. Stop & Shop and its parent Ahold USA have pledged $500,000 while Verizon and Dunkin’ Brands have donated $100,000. Adidas saw high demand yesterday for limited-edition “Boston Stands As One” shirts, the proceeds of which will go to The One Fund Boston.
Can Carlos be found in this clip
http://dailybail.com/home/raw-video-collection-boston-marathon-bombing.html
First video at the top
That's a fascinating question that I'll need to consult on with the inevitable Carlos...
Here’s a 2005 picture of him, this time playing Father Carlos, who in 2004 “burned the van of military officials in Florida after learning that his son Alexander was killed in action during 2004…”
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/file-oct-17-2005-file-photo-carlos-arredondo-photo-005010189.html
That photo of Father Carlos was taken by Charles Krupa. By fantastic coincidence, this same Carlos-Krupa team is the one behind the iconic photo of Bauman being wheeled down the street:
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-45449123/boston-marathon-explosion
You’ll notice there is no blood on Cowboy Carlos’ right sleeve (even though he tied off Bauman’s tourniquet and extinguished the shirt fire, per the NYT story). There wasn’t any blood on Iwo Jima Carlos’ right sleeve at the blast scene either:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/destruction-and-injured-people-at-the-site-of-the-one-of-news-photo/166665862
No, the bloodied sleeve must wait until Fireman Father Cowboy Carlos “Iwo Jima” Arredondo, M.D.—the photographers (and milliners) delight—has returned to the scene and retrieved his flag evidently to perform a few surgeries…
http://tinypic.com/r/2ica9vt/4
Cheyenne
I'm honestly curious. Explain your thinking on this.
It sounds like you are saying Bauman was part of a grand set-up to restore the reputation of Carlos.
By extension then, that would mean you think the entire bombing, and the death and maiming and loss of limbs, was all done to restore the reputation of this guy Carlos. So he and his cohorts planted the bombs, blew everything up and then sprang into action from beneath the grandstand with fake blood and fake prosthetics for Bauman, so that an iconic picture could be taken that would be catapulted across the world thus restoring the good name of Carlos.
The coincidence with the photographer I can't explain except that perhaps he was tipped off that Carlos would be there handing out flags and wanted to get some shots for a "where are they now?" kind of thing.
Now you ask yourself, what’s going on? Why did the President just happen to stop by when a Saudi official happened to be in an office on Tuesday?
Why was the President meeting with somebody unscheduled earlier this week? A Saudi official.
Who is this Saudi man who was in the hospital, given a new international cell phone and apologized to according to him in Saudi press? Who is he, I wonder?
Why would anyone linked to the bombings be deported? If he’s involved wouldn’t he be prosecuted? If he’s a witness why wouldn’t you want him to testify?
Why would you allow someone who was standing by the bomb be deported? Why would he leave? And why hasn’t anyone in the media taken an interest in finding out why?
Why are they silent?
I think what Cheyenne is saying is that, since Jeff Bauman identified the two brothers, along with the photo coincidence (2005 & 2012) we have learned to distrust the Government for good reason.
I did spend an hour looking through Jeff Bauman sites. His school facebook page says nothing of a previous leg injury from hundreds of posters. With social media it will be more and more difficult to fool the American people.
How many search warrants do you think they had in Boston?
How many people ask for a search warrant?
It is the future, for your own good!
Glenn Beck is talking about the Saudi
http://investmentwatchblog.com/monday-bombshell-evidence-so-damning-it-will-determine-the-fate-of-our-nation/
Monday Bombshell: Evidence So Damning It Will “Determine the Fate of Our Nation”
It wasn’t anywhere between the time of the blast and the wheelchair ride. That’s strange because it was during this time frame that Carlos fashioned a tourniquet and tied it off to staunch the heavy blood flow from two MAJOR severed arteries inside of freshly blasted-off legs. On its own, I suppose the spotless sleeve wouldn’t rise much above the “odd” category. However, we know from the weird clock photo that at some point, blood—lots of it—did spill onto Carlos’ sleeve and absolutely DRENCHED his flag (which wasn’t present in the wheelchair shots).
This points to a continuity problem in the official narrative. Continuity errors happen all the time—in the movies. Rocky’s red-white-and-blue trunks in his “flashback” to the 1st Clubber Lang fight in Rocky III come to mind (he changed from gold trunks in the 1st fight to the flag trunks in the 2nd fight, which hadn’t occurred when the flashback takes place). Continuity errors don’t arise in real events.
This continuity error isn’t the only indicator that “Flag-Waving Cowboy to the Rescue” is a narrative story rather than a documentary. Another thing you see on movie sets is people waiting (lots of that actually). And indeed we find that here.
Why do we see the shot of Carlos chilling by the fence as he fiddles with the flag and hat props? He said he vaulted the fence and attended to Bauman immediately—a sage idea when you’ve got only a few seconds to stop someone from bleeding to death. Likewise is the shot of Sunglasses (who’s next to Bauman in the blast shots) reclining on a human couch: what’s going on here? Similarly, there is this shot of Bauman (4th in sequence), who, elbow propped on the bloody sidewalk, appears to be texting someone…
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=072_1366065507
Another thing you see all the time in the commercial film industry is the same crew and talent names on different jobs. The Krupa-Carlos pairings are something I came across at random. What are the odds I drew the only pair in Boston?
Now, to the question of why use fakes (actors with props). (Notice that this implies you’re actors are ready to go, which isn’t a stretch here at all since it’s clear that officials had ample forewarning that something would happen.) The short answer is that actors have read the script and know what the cameramen need. The problem with civilians is you need lots of them doing many takes to get TV-worthy, iconic material. Even worse, though, they fucking say things that contradict the script from production central, i.e., the federal government “security” leviathan.
In “Aurora Lone Gunman,” civilians were talking on camera about canisters and gunshots coming from all directions. They also said someone held open the otherwise locked theater exit door so Lone Gunman could enter. Wtf are these things doing in a story about ONE lunatic? No bueno.
In “Sandy Hook Lone Gunman,” civilians mentioned men in camo pants being handcuffed in the front of a police cruiser and on the ground at the fire station. That idiot civilian even said that one camo-pantsed man yelled “I didn’t do it” as he was led away. Again: no beuno.
For “Unforeseeable Marathon Mayhem,” you’d want to use as many predictable resources as possible given the risks—and an EXTREMELY short shoot window—inherent in such a presentation.
By extension then, that would mean you think the entire bombing, and the death and maiming and loss of limbs, was all done to restore the reputation of this guy Carlos. So he and his cohorts planted the bombs, blew everything up and then sprang into action from beneath the grandstand with fake blood and fake prosthetics for Bauman, so that an iconic picture could be taken that would be catapulted across the world thus restoring the good name of Carlos.
Is this what you think?
Similarly, there is this shot of Bauman (4th in sequence), who, elbow propped on the bloody sidewalk, appears to be texting someone…
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How can you say that based on the 4th picture. You say it appears he is texting someone. I see absolutely nothing of the sort. You can't tell what the hell he is doing.
He is the guy in the gray shirt on the right edge of the photo.
Here's the photo in full size.
http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/20/media20/2013/Apr/15/LiveLeak-dot-com-fffbd2f02523-9973_10200138335994516_1816702752_n.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bad1904845dcd53b0b&ec_rate=200
Does anyone besides Cheyenne see Bauman texting?
Further, he isn't just chillaxin by the barricade. The still photo gives that impression, but in the video you can see him run up to the barricade, pause for a second and then scamper over. Police were doing the same -- running over, pausing, and then scampering over or beginning to take apart the barrier.
Also, you might notice a guy behind to two girls getting their pulses checked in one of the photos -- he's missing a lower leg in grisly fashion much like Bauman. Was he fitted with prosthetics, too? Seeing the force of that explosion, it would make sense that people standing next to it lost a leg or two. There's also a foot in one of the photos, next to the white woman in red. Maybe Bauman's, or maybe the guy missing one leg.
I'm sticking to the minute particulars and material facts here and I just don't see anything that stands out as odd.
More pertinent is the question of why or whether the brothers shot the MIT policeman. Did they? They didn't knock over the 7-11 it turns out. How did they have video stills of the younger brother at a different 7-11, though? Were they already following them? Maybe.
Moreover, why the hell didn't the brothers flee before Friday? The younger bro was at school the next day and went to the gym (?!). Who was the carjack victim (and was he a victim) and why is no one talking to him?
No to your entire paragraph. What is your issue with the reputation of Carlos? The point of the story noting that he blew up some military van was its connection to the photographer of Padre Carlos, the same photographer who shot the wheelchair ride. The exploding van is merely an interesting aside (e.g., is Carlos' story about putting out the fire on Bauman's shirt with his bare hands--aside from the rather obvious credibility issues it raises--part of a predisposition to be involved with pyrotechnic episodes?, etc.).
Again, you keep leaping to broad scenarios far afield from the narrow issue presented. In the last couple of posts, it is this: How, if the Carlos/Bauman rescue story is real (i.e, not a planned narrative), does one account for the blood all over Carlos' sleeve and his flag?
As for the cooly recumbent Bauman, let me get at it this way: does what he's doing look more like texting on a handheld device or like screaming and writhing in agony because both legs were blown off?
dee dee: Wow. That medication line is really special. I didn't know the 78th edition of Hackneyed Cliches was out yet. Did it teach you your abject lack of specificity to go with your originality?
Who was the carjack victim (and was he a victim) and why is no one talking to him?
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Here's something on that:
01:18 GMT: The Tsarnaev brothers used their carjacking victim's ATM card before a gunfight with authorities, police say. Watertown Police Chief Edward Deveau says the suspects behind the Boston Marathon bombing also told the carjacking victim they bombed Monday's race and killed a police officer.
http://rt.com/usa/boston-marathon-explosions-updates-911/
I'm just trying to figure out exactly what you are saying, because I still don't understand your bigger point. You are saying it is a faked photo, that actors were used, that Bauman was already amputated and injured before this (even though as Backgammon pointed out there is no mention of anything like that anywhere on his social media profiles), that it is fake blood, fake prosthetics, and that they people who created the photo KNEW ahead of time that a bomb would be going off and so they planned the entire photo charade based on their advance knowledge of the bombings.
Is this what you are saying?
And you raise very good points. I haven't seen that video (but what you say about still frames is true generally). So does Carlos run over and attend to Bauman in it? If so, what happens to Sunglasses and Kim? So is it fair to say you think it's not possible that any part of the Bauman/Carlos sequence was faked in any way?
"More pertinent is the question of why or whether the brothers shot the MIT policeman."
This whole episode is huge and deeply disturbing. Much to digest. For now, two things stand out. One, that once the family insisted that the FBI had been involved for years, the FBI backed off its prior denials. Two, that the entire town of Boston (including 100+ miles of subway lines) shut down and that Watertown was, for a few hours, the scariest-looking police state I've seen in my life. 25,000 militarized policeman in search of 2-3 young men. If you'd've told me that was possible even 2 years ago, I'd've called you crazy. The acceleration is breathtaking.
Once again we have prior federal police involvement in a terror episode. This leviathan has grown for 10 years, as has the number of such events. It's starting to look like a snake relentlessly eating its own tail. This will end in horror.
Fair enough. Let's start with what we know and then I'll pose my issue.
1. We know our government has a long history with media plants who'll pass off disinformation.
2. We know our government is capable of using false pretexts, including false flag events, to advance wars.
3. We know that the federal police leviathan has grown into an industry that is enormously profitable for a handful of people, and that it continues to do so.
4. We know that video technology has advanced by leaps and bounds for 15 years since Saving Private Ryan (just an example I can think of off the top of my head), which head realistic blood and gore scenes.
All of those things are completely noncontroversial. A couple of other things, which reasonable people can disagree about, but which I think you and most of your readers would also agree with.
5. We know that said leviathan would like to take our guns.
6. We know the media has been thoroughly complicit in refusing to talk about some crimes (the forte here happens to be financial crimes).
7. We know that this leviathan has had prior involvement with people who've carried out mass violence.
In light of those things, is it possible that people in the government, working with media cohorts, would ever try to fake all or part of a terror event? Separate question: is it possible that the same combination of people would CAUSE a terror event massive enough (in their sick estimation) to shock Americans, by a majority, into surrendering their guns?
Nah, wait a minute. Yes, I have. As a college senior, I was nearly mugged on Halloween night coming back from the library. 5, 6, 7 guys all dressed up like ghosts jump me from behind and surrounded me. I'm sure I'm going to get stabbed and maybe die. I elbowed one ghost in the face and then ran over the one in front of me with all the power my then 165 pounds could muster. Probably never run so fast in all my life. When I got to the end of that dark street and was safe, I looked down and realized I was still holding the 3 library books I had checked out that night. Tactically stupid, but a natural reaction to the situation, apparently. I had cradled them like a football the whole damn time.
Anyhow, if Cowboy Carlos wants to adjust his hat, or the Unabomber wants to fix his sunglasses while dodging IED's, I can't really fault them too much, however stupid it looks on film.